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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#6161 - 2014-03-27 19:51:07 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.


Says the guy that types like this^^^
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE
Doomheim
#6162 - 2014-03-27 19:51:33 UTC
IN ALL SERIOUSLYNESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FIGURES OF BOOSTED SUBSCRIPTION NUMBERS FROM CPP BECAUSE I TELL YOU THIS WITH A STRAIGHT EYE THIS PUBLICITY IS FANTASTIC FOR THEM.
Prince Kobol
#6163 - 2014-03-27 19:51:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow, forum stalk much?

Prince Kobol = Mandarine it seems.

That is one very sad piece of stalking and takes things way too far. Ridiculous.


lmao.. like I said before, if a person claims these kind of things it sticks in my head, what can I say lol.

It is not everyday you read a post about a transvestite disabled war veteran who goes onto become a nurse looking after sick children with leukaemia is it.

Also at no point have I accused him of lying so why so defensive?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#6164 - 2014-03-27 19:51:43 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Yes, I am sure that would hold up in court ("Your honor, the subject was clearly held in duress. The defendant had taken possession of his virtual spaceship."

Also, you should read the EULA. None of the items are owned by the players. So Sohkar had no assets to hold as ransom. You think paying 15 a month means you own your ISK? No, you are merely paying for access to the System and the toys CCP allows you to play with.


Maybe Judge Judy will take the case. Is she still on TV?

"Victim": "Yes, I gave my pixels to a complete stranger who promised to quadruple them. He then required me to sing stupid songs and engage in some homoerotic roleplay for my prize, to which I responded with a half hour tirade. Clearly, I was tortured."

JJ: "I'm sure Amnesty International will get right on that. Next case!"


Makes me wonder: what would Judge Dredd do?
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6165 - 2014-03-27 19:51:46 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.


...says the random person on the random forums...
And self-answer surveys are notoriously accurate.





Unfortunately I can't give you specific scores, as I had promised to keep it confidential. I could give you information regarding averages, though!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ivSyPUMKQOKbrxY9rydGRNUZYnQbvFq9DTAxTD7CQIY/viewform

is where the form is at.

Quote:
The people in question may not be sociopaths in real life, but their in game actions reflect a completely different personality.


It's almost like this is a Roleplaying Game or something!!!

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6166 - 2014-03-27 19:52:04 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.


lolwut

Pot, kettle.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6167 - 2014-03-27 19:53:22 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.


Ah, the infamous "selective listening" tactics.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Salvos Rhoska
#6168 - 2014-03-27 19:54:32 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
[Wow, forum stalk much?

Speaking of which. Where you ever involved in making Coh1 youtube vids?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Salvos Rhoska
#6169 - 2014-03-27 19:55:31 UTC
embrel wrote:
Makes me wonder: what would Judge Dredd do?

Shoot everyone and arrest them later. Questioning optional.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6170 - 2014-03-27 19:56:10 UTC
This thread is reaching the end of its natural life.

This thread has had its stability critically disrupted by the mass of numerous ***** passing through and is on the verge of collapse.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Prince Kobol
#6171 - 2014-03-27 19:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
admiral root wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
No, it just struck me that making up stories about being a transvestite war veteran, being a nurse looking after sick children with leukaemia and saying that you have lost real life friends in wars would be an incredible sick thing to do, that is why his name stuck in my head.

Of course unless you are saying that it is fine to claim these kind of things


Just to be clear, are you accusing him of lying about all those things, or are you merely trying to insinuate that he thinks lying about them would be acceptable?


I am in no way accusing him of lying about being a transvestite war veteran, the becoming a nurse to look after sick children with leukaemia and who has lost friends in wars.

He has accused me of being a forum stalker because I thought I recognised his name and asked him if it was him in the gif.

Sorry but as I have said before, that kind of personal achievement sticks in my head.

I would only be a stalker if I have followed him around and posted in all the threads he has posted and accused him of lying which I have never done.

Unless of course he is lying and that would fine by E1.

***Edit***

Unless you are also saying that it is fine to lie about such things and have no issues with it.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6172 - 2014-03-27 19:56:55 UTC
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:
In all seriousness, I would like to see some figures of boosted subscription numbers from cpp, because, and I tell you this with a straight eye, this publicity is fantastic for them.


Here. I made it English for you.

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6173 - 2014-03-27 19:57:05 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.



You are aware the vast majority of ganks also include a "tear harvesting" phase, right?

Where does that fall?


Bare minimum? Profit of killmails, potential profit of harvested modules. Plus the ganker holds no "hostage" power over the gankee in the form of all of his EVE-ly assets.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Big Lynx
#6174 - 2014-03-27 19:57:07 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.


Says the guy that types like this^^^


I am tired of repeating myself again and again and again, and then you show up like a tard some hundred pages before without any idea what really happened.

sry, for stfu.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6175 - 2014-03-27 20:00:32 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.



You are aware the vast majority of ganks also include a "tear harvesting" phase, right?

Where does that fall?


Bare minimum? Profit of killmails, potential profit of harvested modules. Plus the ganker holds no "hostage" power over the gankee in the form of all of his EVE-ly assets.


Oh? But you mentioned "harassment for the sake of harassment." This is long after the gank has happened and the ganker is now attempting to get tears. It certainly has no in-game benefit, does it?

And you're right, this happens ENTIRELY after the decision has been made. The guys stuff is dead. At least in a "hostage" situation the guy may get his things back.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6176 - 2014-03-27 20:00:39 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.


...says the random person on the random forums...
And self-answer surveys are notoriously accurate.

The people in question may not be sociopaths in real life, but their in game actions reflect a completely different personality.

Absolutely, just like all of those actors that play the bad guy in the films... or the author that writes about horror / atrocities/ etc., right?
They may not show it in their day to day life, but obviously there is a completely different (and psychotic) personality lurking within.

My only question is "does this cover voice actors as well"? Cause Mark Hamil has portrayed good guys and bad guys, and that's confusing. Oh wait, he must be completely schizophrenic.

Hope he takes his meds or gets locked up for public safety.

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Mario Putzo
#6177 - 2014-03-27 20:01:21 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The feedback in this thread is very much appreciated, and we've been watching it since it was first posted.

While we can appreciate that tensions are high, please remember to keep within the forum rules when posting.

We'll have more information for you guys in the coming days.

Smile


I thought trolling wasn't allowed on the forums Twisted
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6178 - 2014-03-27 20:01:53 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
So, if a gate camp scrams a player and the ransom is *ten* songs on TS, is that torture?

You misunderstand how the Bonus Room functions.

It is not ten songs.
It is an unending line of arbitrary demands, any of which if you refuse to perform or choose to leave the Bonus Room, Erotica1 wins.

This process is hastened by abusing the victim during it, and thereby made "amusing" to a group of players who get off on listening to the suffering of the victim trying to cope with what is being done to him.

There is no actual way to win, unless you are an associate of Erotica1 and are running through the Bonus Room for purposes of creating a theater so that he can maintain the false legitimacy that anyone can ever (legitimately) win the Bonus Room.

Its important that you understand the difference.


It is important that you understand that taking part in an unwinnable game doesn't mean you're being tortured.

....


.... and I can't believe you're forcing me to actually do some google searches to discredit the drivel you've been spewing on here, but here it is:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340

As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
Salvos Rhoska
#6179 - 2014-03-27 20:02:49 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
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Just for everyone's information that didn't already know it, the poster above is one of Erotica1's escrow agents, and also runs a twitch channel for distribution of video/audio on the Bonus Room.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#6180 - 2014-03-27 20:03:23 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.


Says the guy that types like this^^^


I am tired of repeating myself again and again and again, and then you show up like a tard some hundred pages before without any idea what really happened.

sry, for stfu.


I have no idea what you are referring to, nor do I give a rat's ass. I don't remember or care what you've previously posted in this thread. Your lame comment was the first time I even remember seeing your name. You'd have to be extremely bored to read this entire thread, much less remember what some random dude said on page 110.

I don't need your permission to post here.

Have a nice day.