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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5861 - 2014-03-27 18:14:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is why torture victims need to be physically restrained.

Just sayin'.


False.

Show me a legal definition that requires the victim be physically restrained for acts taken against them to constitute torture.


Hey there.

I presented two links which you have yet to address.

When you address that, you will be allowed to talk to me about other aspects of this issue.

Thank you.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5862 - 2014-03-27 18:15:24 UTC
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:
PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BAD PRESS FOR EVE ONLINE I THINK IT IS GOOD PRESS THIS GAME IS DARK AND TWISTED AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS COME TO ME AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS 'INCIDENT' AND PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS ABOUT SAYING MATE MATE PLEASE GET ME A TRAIL FOR THIS GAME THIS SOUNDS IMMENSE AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR XBOX TO COME CHECK.

NOT GONNA LIE THEY ARE PLAYING THIS GAME NOW THROUGH A BUDDY INVITE SYSTEM BECAUSE I GAVE THEM A TRAIL.

YOU SEE THE GOOD THAT HAS PERHAPS COME FROM THIS I HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SOME NEW PLAYERS. THESE NEW PLAYERS WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT EROTICAL 1 OR THE NEXT JAMES375 BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO PLAY A GAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.

ALL THE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS SAYING BAN THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS BAD. THINK ABOUT IT THAT THIS JUST GOES ON AT ALL TIMES SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE TIME I FOUND A GUY WHO WARDECCED ME WHO LIVED IN SAME CITY AND TIED HIM TO MY RADIATOR AS PUNISHMENT AND HE DROPED THE WARDEC. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PERHAPS YOU SAY THAT HE DIDN'T GET HIS STORY PUBLISHED ON A BLOG THAT WANTS AN AUDIENCE FOR A PROPER GANDER CAMPAIGN.

THE EVIL HERE IS RIPARD TEGS AND HIS BRAINWASHING FOLLOWERS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE RANTING RACIST FOUL MOUTHED GUY WHO GOT MAD AND INSTEAD JUST TOOK TO THE FORUMS TO PEN ANGRY POSTS. I AM NOT AN ANGRY MAN. I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT MAD ABOUT THIS INCIDENE TI AM HAPPY THAT IT GOT MY TWO MATES TO COME PLAY WITH ME AND PUT DOWN THEIR CRACK PIPES AND XBOXES.

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT. WHY IS THIS HOLE THING BAD? I ASK YOU?

ORP.


THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT.

I AGREE - NO PUBLICITY IS "BAD" PUBLICITY, AS LONG AS THE NAME IS SPELLED RIGHT.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5863 - 2014-03-27 18:15:33 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is why torture victims need to be physically restrained.

Just sayin'.


False.

Show me a legal definition that requires the victim be physically restrained for acts taken against them to constitute torture.

Also, you still have not linked the post you claim I did not answer a question from.
Evasion?


You're completely off the deep end, mate. I will sleep soundly tonight knowing CCP would take nothing you've said here seriously, though.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5864 - 2014-03-27 18:15:38 UTC
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:
PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BAD PRESS FOR EVE ONLINE I THINK IT IS GOOD PRESS THIS GAME IS DARK AND TWISTED AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS COME TO ME AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS 'INCIDENT' AND PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS ABOUT SAYING MATE MATE PLEASE GET ME A TRAIL FOR THIS GAME THIS SOUNDS IMMENSE AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR XBOX TO COME CHECK.

NOT GONNA LIE THEY ARE PLAYING THIS GAME NOW THROUGH A BUDDY INVITE SYSTEM BECAUSE I GAVE THEM A TRAIL.

YOU SEE THE GOOD THAT HAS PERHAPS COME FROM THIS I HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SOME NEW PLAYERS. THESE NEW PLAYERS WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT EROTICAL 1 OR THE NEXT JAMES375 BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO PLAY A GAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.

ALL THE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS SAYING BAN THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS BAD. THINK ABOUT IT THAT THIS JUST GOES ON AT ALL TIMES SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE TIME I FOUND A GUY WHO WARDECCED ME WHO LIVED IN SAME CITY AND TIED HIM TO MY RADIATOR AS PUNISHMENT AND HE DROPED THE WARDEC. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PERHAPS YOU SAY THAT HE DIDN'T GET HIS STORY PUBLISHED ON A BLOG THAT WANTS AN AUDIENCE FOR A PROPER GANDER CAMPAIGN.

THE EVIL HERE IS RIPARD TEGS AND HIS BRAINWASHING FOLLOWERS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE RANTING RACIST FOUL MOUTHED GUY WHO GOT MAD AND INSTEAD JUST TOOK TO THE FORUMS TO PEN ANGRY POSTS. I AM NOT AN ANGRY MAN. I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT MAD ABOUT THIS INCIDENE TI AM HAPPY THAT IT GOT MY TWO MATES TO COME PLAY WITH ME AND PUT DOWN THEIR CRACK PIPES AND XBOXES.

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT. WHY IS THIS HOLE THING BAD? I ASK YOU?

ORP.


Because he went from scamming the guy to Humiliating him
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5865 - 2014-03-27 18:15:42 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
... stuff....




I'm reminded of a case where some teenage boys went around town shooting people with paintball guns. When they got caught, they tried to get leniency from the judge by bringing of a video of themselves being shot with paintballs.

It didn't work.

BTW, some people will bandy about "is this torture or not" but I know of a film crew that had a merc waterboard them in preparation for a plot. It was all a laughing matter because they volunteered to be waterboarded. It's uncomfortable, but they had the foreknowledge that they were not being tortured. So if E1 is going to sing and get podded, I don't think it's any kind of retribution and I don't think the community will buy it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Salvos Rhoska
#5866 - 2014-03-27 18:15:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
---


Sorry. didn't read a word you said.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5867 - 2014-03-27 18:16:06 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
The feedback in this thread is very much appreciated, and we've been watching it since it was first posted.

While we can appreciate that tensions are high, please remember to keep within the forum rules when posting.

We'll have more information for you guys in the coming days.

Smile



Just one player's opinion, I do not believe that CCP should do anything that would fundamentally impact the sandbox and the Meta. By that I mean, CCP should not enact any TOS/EULA changes as a result of this indecent, this includes banning any of the related parties. Doing so would set a dangerous precedent moving forward and would significantly impact the META and the player interaction of this game.

A more measured approach would be to censure ALL parties that were active during this particular "Bonus Room." The censure should be limited to all the assets/contracts/isk transfers between the parties. CPP should have sufficient logs to ensure that every red isk that was exchanges from Shokar forward is removed from the game. The same goes for any assets.

In this way, CCP can acknowledge that an incident took place, that while did not openly break the TOS/EULA, was damaging to such an extent, that future practices will run the risk of CCP reprisals, per their discretion and the communities feedback.

Again, I do not feel that Bans/TOS/EULA Rule changes are needed. However the extended behavior by the involved parties should not be allowed to bring additional negative publicity to this game.

Some of us (albeit by this thread, very few) are actually decent human being that know how to have fun, when to joke, when to troll and when to stop.



I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Kaius Fero
#5868 - 2014-03-27 18:16:08 UTC
Brusanan wrote:
For anyone who thinks the US government should be running bonus rounds in Guantanamo Bay, Erotica 1 himself will be finishing up his own bonus round tonight at 9:30 PM EST. It will be live streamed. He will read The Code. He will sing. We will take his stuff and then pod him repeatedly.

It will be horrible. I don't think Erotica will be able to live with himself afterwards, but I'm a psychopath so who cares?

Clean party, no mayonnaise? That's good news, then maybe we can invite some females too.

Anselmo & The Illegals
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5869 - 2014-03-27 18:16:11 UTC
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:
snipped for sanity.

Please never post again.
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#5870 - 2014-03-27 18:16:19 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
I been following this since the other evening when it broke out and I seriously believe the time has come to lay the subject to rest. 287 pages worth of reading is a lot for some, other a speed reading course. However tho' the issue here is whether or not if the victim in this case was being subjected to "torture" to which I think he was as far as mental torture was concerned, no physical torture. However on the other hand this to me is the most unethical use of a scam and then turn right around and go outside of eve to using TS3 for two hours or so to subject the victim to mental torture on this scale is wrong.

In my opinion however the victim had every right to refuse to continue which he didn't, Erotica1 and his cohorts kept edgeing the victim onwards to past the point of no return, Erotica1 DID in fact commit a crime of cyber bullying, and there fore has opened himself and others with him to possible charges.

IF that were the case being then, the community at large should petition on the behalf of the victim to have his entire inventory, isk and what ever else he lost returned to him notwithstanding, AND to let CCP know that this is unacceptable to the community at large. The use of Teamspeak outside the game is a matter of record for a court of law to decide on the consequences and maybe a jail term as called for earlier in this thread.

Eve is a game of course, but sometimes some people just go to the extremes sometimes and push the limits as to what is and what isn't acceptable behavior and this is a classic case of pushing beyond an acceptable boundary to which Erotica1 and his cohorts have shown in a public manner.

I know CCP has been rather silent about this matter and as one said they will release some kind of statement in the coming days ahead.

New internet lawyer comes in on his high horse. Welcome!


I am merely just offering an over view of this subject but you think I'm a lawyer, well I do know law in some areas which mostly deal with copy rights.
Salvos Rhoska
#5871 - 2014-03-27 18:16:51 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I presented two links which you have yet to address.

When you address that, you will be allowed to talk to me about other aspects of this issue.

Thank you.


Sorry, where is the post with these links?

And I don't need your permission to talk to you.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#5872 - 2014-03-27 18:17:16 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:


Well done, Ripard, well done indeed.

Good fight.

Big smile



this sucks..
****** Peg only did this because CSM is being changed so nothing can touch him, they can't throw him out because it would already be over, and CCP can't do anything to punish him after it.

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5873 - 2014-03-27 18:17:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
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Sorry. didn't read a word you said.


Why start now, right?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5874 - 2014-03-27 18:17:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter." - Amnesty International.


This is the definition of PVP.


Yeah.

When you undercut someone on the market, you've tortured them if they get mad ("acute psychological pain") in order to accomplish your purpose (selling your items) against your victim.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5875 - 2014-03-27 18:18:29 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake
Big smile


**Can't quote the whole thing but to reply.

I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats.

HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5876 - 2014-03-27 18:19:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

False.

Being able to walk away from a situation in which you are being subjected to torture, does not stop the actions being taken against you from being torture.

Being restrained from leaving the situation is furthermore not a pre-condition to something fulfilling the definition of torture.

Voluntarily entering into a situation in which you are then subjected to torture, is also not a pre-condition to it fulfilling the definition of torture.


Cite one example where a court (ANYWHERE) agreed with this nonsense, when discussing TORTURE.


Cite one example where a court (ANYWHERE) requires that in order for actions taken against someone to constitute torture they must:

-Be restrained or otherwise incapable of leaving the circumstances in which their are being tortured.
-Where if they voluntarily entered a situation where it later culminates into torture, that that initial act negates the subsequent actions taken against the victim from being classifiable as torture.

The definition of torture, does not require the victim to be restrained, nor that they have been brought involuntarily into the circumstances where torture occurs.

Thats just how it is.

Again, you are describing Masochism, not torture.

However, to honor your definition of torture, I am now forced to demand you stop posting. I warned you, now face the consequences.

STOP TORTURING ME.

BAN HIM NOW!

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Salvos Rhoska
#5877 - 2014-03-27 18:19:20 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
[b]By that I mean, CCP should not enact any TOS/EULA changes as a result of this indecent


I agree entirely.

The current TOS/EULA is perfectly sufficient to cover and remedy this fringe incident of what Erotica1 and his Bonus Room have been up to as an extension of CCP's provided service.

All that is needed, is exercising the existing TOS/EULA to take action against this particular incident, and remain wary of anything as extreme happening again.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5878 - 2014-03-27 18:19:21 UTC
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:
PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BAD PRESS FOR EVE ONLINE I THINK IT IS GOOD PRESS THIS GAME IS DARK AND TWISTED AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS COME TO ME AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS 'INCIDENT' AND PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS ABOUT SAYING MATE MATE PLEASE GET ME A TRAIL FOR THIS GAME THIS SOUNDS IMMENSE AND THEY PUT DOWN THEIR XBOX TO COME CHECK.

NOT GONNA LIE THEY ARE PLAYING THIS GAME NOW THROUGH A BUDDY INVITE SYSTEM BECAUSE I GAVE THEM A TRAIL.

YOU SEE THE GOOD THAT HAS PERHAPS COME FROM THIS I HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO SOME NEW PLAYERS. THESE NEW PLAYERS WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT EROTICAL 1 OR THE NEXT JAMES375 BECAUSE THEY ARE WANTING TO PLAY A GAME THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY.

ALL THE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR BITCHFORKS SAYING BAN THIS GUY BECAUSE HE IS BAD. THINK ABOUT IT THAT THIS JUST GOES ON AT ALL TIMES SAID BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE TIME I FOUND A GUY WHO WARDECCED ME WHO LIVED IN SAME CITY AND TIED HIM TO MY RADIATOR AS PUNISHMENT AND HE DROPED THE WARDEC. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE PERHAPS YOU SAY THAT HE DIDN'T GET HIS STORY PUBLISHED ON A BLOG THAT WANTS AN AUDIENCE FOR A PROPER GANDER CAMPAIGN.

THE EVIL HERE IS RIPARD TEGS AND HIS BRAINWASHING FOLLOWERS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE RANTING RACIST FOUL MOUTHED GUY WHO GOT MAD AND INSTEAD JUST TOOK TO THE FORUMS TO PEN ANGRY POSTS. I AM NOT AN ANGRY MAN. I WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM NOT MAD ABOUT THIS INCIDENE TI AM HAPPY THAT IT GOT MY TWO MATES TO COME PLAY WITH ME AND PUT DOWN THEIR CRACK PIPES AND XBOXES.

THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT. WHY IS THIS HOLE THING BAD? I ASK YOU?

ORP.


calm down and stay away from the shrooms
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5879 - 2014-03-27 18:20:10 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
You have won, ladies and gentlemen, you are getting your witch to burn at the stake
Big smile


**Can't quote the whole thing but to reply.

I don't care what he does. All i care is how CCP will handle it and future copy cats.

HTFU and don't post your tears of fake retribution here.


You still have not posted what rules were broken.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5880 - 2014-03-27 18:20:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I presented two links which you have yet to address.

When you address that, you will be allowed to talk to me about other aspects of this issue.

Thank you.


Sorry, where is the post with these links?

And I don't need your permission to talk to you.


must be torture.

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Never forget.