EVE General Discussion

Just looking at the comments, EVE is getting a ton of bad press from this. All these negative comments being made about EVE.

Speculation.


Also:
Ganking, fighting, scamming =/= Harrassment and Public Embarrassment

I tried. Spouse already has the place picked out, it's some pretentious place with a tasting menu. I consider fancy dining to be "Go inside McDs and sit down to eat."

I'm not complaining TOO hard though. Tenth anniversary!

What would happen to the world if 'free speech' laws only applied to polite speech, and not the intolerant or vile speech?
Who would then decide what is hateful speech, and not protected?
Who would then protect your speech, on that day years later when someone determines your words are hateful to them?

EvE the 'sandbox' must be based on the same principles. It is a sandbox, or not. There is no middle ground between food and poison, just poisoned food. tldr; CCP must be very careful about coming between two players in any scenario, at risk of crushing what the sandbox stands for.

Harassment or 'bullying' as previously defined by CCP, is when a player continuously or on an ongoing basis messes with another player, without asset acquisition being their core driver.

If we look to that precedent, Erotica1 neither continuously nor on an ongoing basis messed with Sohkar, for it was a single time event with Sohkar, and Erotica1's goals were clearly asset acquisition at their core. By CCP's own precedent this was thus not harassment nor bullying, it was the sandbox, working as intended.

Now while you may denounce the way Erotica1 did what he did, you however can NOT denounce his right to do it, or you might as well denounce the sandbox, freedom of speech and the notion of freedom itself.

Why is It always liberal pansies that have to silence or jail those they disagree with in the real world, rather than win their arguments by engaging directly with the person they wish to neuter, and instead convince them? That is evil. That is Stalinism. That is today's liberal pansification in real life injecting itself into a GAME with cries to 'ban Erotica1!'...

What's missing from this thread is that Sohkar was a DUNCE. He allowed himself to be scammed, then doubled down on stupid by allowing himself to be made a fool of, driven by his personal greed and attempts to acquire quick money (ISK). Sohkar should be THANKING Erotica1 for the valuable real-life lesson he was just taught! Surely the first time he goes to nagotiate a car loan, mortgage or cellphone contract -- he will be more likely to look at the fine print and not get screwed thanks to Erotica1?

THAT is the lesson of HTFU you pansies never seem to get, that HTFU is GOOD FOR YOU. Bubble wrap a dunce or carebear, and you neuter him in real life I say. Want to know why kids are leaving their parents homes at older and older ages? Just look in the f#$king mirror you fail-enabling PANSIES!

F#)($#!

Essentially yes. The final policy would need to be far more specific as someone can interpret humiliating themselves or someone else as losing an expensive ship to a suicide gank, which would be bad for the metagame.



It would certainly have to be something very specific. I'm not quite sure how you could stop someone from humilating themselves. Perhaps it would have to be a rule pertaining to how a scam is conducted? I'm not sure it would be done. That is something that is up to CCP should they decide this is an issue.




I agree. Erotica 1 has not broken any rules to our knowledge. If CCP decides his fate solely based on the rules, then he does not deserve a ban. Even if CCP were to ban him on the grounds that he was doing something morally reprehensible, I would not be in favor of it. I feel EVE and the community would be better off without him, but I don't want to see him banned for reasons outside of the rules. Why?

First off all, I'm not sure if CCP would even be legally allowed to do such a thing. Erotica 1 agreed to the EULA, and if he is banned from the game for a reason not listed in the rules, that could be a potential lawsuit. Even if it doesn't lead to legal action, it would be a dangerous precedent to set.

All in all, no matter how much I dislike Erotica 1 and his cohorts, none of them should be banned at the moment.

I figure all the IB4L folks are mislead because CCP is letting this burn off as a steam valve to take down the pressure. If you look at the stats of this thread you will see it is being dominated by a dozen players (who may or may not be alts of each other)

As to 10th anniversary, well done and you KNOW you were going to do a sitdown for that anyways.

'Crisis'

Wow. You could look up any newspaper that covers international news to find out what 'crisis' means.

So now that you're firmly in the "THIS IS TORTURE THEREFORE EROTICA 1 IS A WAR CRIMINAL" camp, please tell us how this fulfills an actual authoritative definition of torture that has been adopted by several countries, not by an advocacy group:

'For the purpose of this Convention, the term 'torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purpose as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed, or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by, or at the instigation of, or with the consent or acquiescence of, a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to lawful sanctions.'
(United Nations. 1984. Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. U.N. Doc. A/39/51.)

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