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Big Lynx
#5741 - 2014-03-27 17:27:55 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Effect One wrote:
This player could have walked away at any given moment. He chose not to. The end.



Would you go away so easily, when a douche takes all your money and items you have worked for?


No, but his money and assets weren't taken. He gave them away. Willingly.


And now we think a bit further. What does Ero et al. say to him permanently after that?


More importantly, what did he say back?


Do not answer with a counter question mate. please.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#5742 - 2014-03-27 17:28:02 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow indeed.



wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.

It makes me feel wanted.


When you say you feel wanted is it:

As a man or a woman or both?

By your male of female spouse?

When you feel wanted is it at a famous charity hospital or a small rural one?

Wow...the sickos just keep rolling in...

Trying to pass yourself off as a war veteran,tranny, IED survivor, nurse, caretaker of the sickest and weakest in our community all to help your scams. That takes a special kind of sick.


It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5743 - 2014-03-27 17:28:27 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It is possible to get angry enough that the mind searches for "the worst things to say".

Mel Gibson for example. Nobody goes into an explosive rant better IMO.


Now back in my day (TM) when people went into this state, it was uncommon for it to be full of racial and sexual slang and epithets.

Why was that?


Because back then such words were not lent such power. There was no political correctness turning mere words (which were also interchangeably used as terms of endearment) into weapons of mass destruction.


So now, when someone has gone completely off the end of their rope, their mind looks to the "shelf" of the worst things to say.

And guess what's on that shelf now, thanks to 20+ years of political correctness?


So of course it's only expected that the same victims (or fools who can't see how manipulated they are) will act like the person who said those words has committed an act completely disconnected from the mental state, one that was induced, in which those words were said.

It's like winning a trophy for these people, the sort that would use such incident as a whip of progressiveness to beat others with, such as "Oh so you say he was under duress? Why are you a racist too?".

The tactic is plainly obvious, and I see people do this on Twitter all of the time too.


Like I said, both Erotica 1 and his victims are at fault. The victims deserve zero sympathy. They knew exactly what they were getting into yet let their greed turn them into idiots. However what Erotica 1 does is just pure sadism with no rhyme or reason to it. He could get the same results (scamming people out of everything they own) by merely asking them to do the first part of the game (showing full faith). This would be perfectly fine. Asking them to do or say humiliating things is where Erotica 1 crosses the line from scammer to sadist.


I am not sure about that. The publicity surrounding the bonus room may be a crucial component to convincing people to join it. If he just took the money and ran, then people would put up forum posts saying "Erotica 1 Bonus Room doesn't exist. He just takes your money and kicks you.". By doing a legitimate (but hard to win) competition, its easier to convince people to join.

I highly doubt I could convince people to do a bonus round.
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#5744 - 2014-03-27 17:28:45 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:

The examples you have listed are not morally indefensible, psychological torture or sadistic just as all the examples of irony in one of Alanis Morrisettes songs are not in fact ironic.


No, I can guarantee you that I do, in fact, take some sadistic pleasure in blowing up another person's stuff. So I disagree in your assessment of whether or not those words apply to the actions I mentioned.

Disregarding that, for a moment, I'd like to know when, exactly, those terms apply to the recording.
Josef Djugashvilis
#5745 - 2014-03-27 17:29:08 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.

It makes me feel wanted.


Go away creep.


Don't be a hater, be a congradulater!

Hey, last ER shift I saved a dude who managed to OD himself on ******. You done anything good in life recently?

(Sorry fellow forum warriors, just couldn't resist it!)


I helped my neighbour, who is not able to walk very well carry her shopping up some stairs earlier today.

Does that count?

This is not a signature.
Jiorj
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#5746 - 2014-03-27 17:29:15 UTC
Ban them all, let WoW sort it out
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5747 - 2014-03-27 17:29:20 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Andski wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Nobody will stay in a situation where they are subjected to torture, if they can escape it.


http://i.imgur.com/QcCJqnS.png


The fact that you can walk away doesn't excuse scumbag behavior.


No, but it does mitigate it.


False.

Being able to walk away from a situation in which you are being subjected to torture, does not stop the actions being taken against you from being torture.

Being restrained from leaving the situation is furthermore not a pre-condition to something fulfilling the definition of torture.


I just realised, you're enjoying this, aren't you. You're just loving the reaction to your sensationalisation of this issue.

So I was dead on about the narcissism.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5748 - 2014-03-27 17:30:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
False.

Being able to walk away from a situation in which you are being subjected to torture, does not stop the actions being taken against you from being torture.

Being restrained from leaving the situation is furthermore not a pre-condition to something fulfilling the definition of torture.

Voluntarily entering into a situation in which you are then subjected to torture, is also not a pre-condition to it fulfilling the definition of torture.


This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about

Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lady Areola Fappington
#5749 - 2014-03-27 17:30:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



wot can I say, I got mah crazy stalkers! Even more amusing, he's Evemailed the CSM and MAJOR GAMING NOOZ WEBSITES over it.

It makes me feel wanted.


Go away creep.


Don't be a hater, be a congradulater!

Hey, last ER shift I saved a dude who managed to OD himself on ******. You done anything good in life recently?

(Sorry fellow forum warriors, just couldn't resist it!)


I helped my neighbour, who is not able to walk very well carry her shopping up some stairs earlier today.

Does that count?


For sure! Helping people who otherwise couldn't help themselves is one of the great things you can do in life. Props, man.

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lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5750 - 2014-03-27 17:31:07 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:

So let me ask you some simple questions:
Does Erotic 1 deserve a ban (some are even pushing for a lifetime ban)?
If yes, on what grounds?
Which rules did he break to result in this punishment?


I do not think he deserves a ban within the current set of the games rules. As I said before, victims willingly put themselves through his horrible mind games. They can opt out of playing or leave at anytime they chose. What I would like to see happen is for CCP to change the rules, and if Erotica 1 keeps doing what he's doing, then and only then would he deserve a ban.

The problem is not that Erotica 1 is breaking the rules. It's that he's doing something we should have rules against, which is his method of humiliating players. I have nothing against scamming at all (and this is coming from someone who was scammed in the past). What I do have a problem with is humiliating someone until they break.

Only the first part of these bonus rooms is a scam. The rest is shitting all over someone until they drown in it for several hours.

Ok, can I be correct in concluding that in your opinion, E1 did not break any existing rules, new rules should be created to prevent people from humiliating themselves voluntarily, and rules should also be created to stop people from allowing other people to humiliate themselves?

Yet, the major counterpoint, which you stated as well, is that the victim CHOOSES to put himself through this even after he has had his ISK and assets taken off him. At any point, the individual could have chosen to give up his assets and write them off as a loss and an expensive lesson. Therefore, CCP can't really stop people from choosing to humiliate themselves. How would you work that into the rules?

Therefore, the only option left to CCP would be to ban players from humiliating others. Again, how would you incorporate that into the rules?

Second thing is, while I do not agree with his methods, Erotica did not break any existing rules, and thus there is no cause to ban him. Not under the current rules, nor for his methods (which do not break any existing rules). Therefore, the masses crying for blood are literally stating: "Give him a (lifetime) ban because I don't like him/his methods while not breaking any rules is morally reprehensible etc." What is your viewpoint on this?
Salvos Rhoska
#5751 - 2014-03-27 17:31:10 UTC
Its really quite simple.

In order for Erotica1 to win, he must force the victim to leave the Bonus Room.

In order for the victim to win, he must fulfill every single demand that Erotica1 places upon him.

Erotica1 then applies psychological torture to the victim, to force them to leave the Bonus Room, whereupon he wins the Bonus Room.

This isn't rocket science.

Elaboration in my sig.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Bluespot85
What IU Doing
Brothers of Tangra
#5752 - 2014-03-27 17:31:42 UTC
All this over......a 1 billion isk scam lol.

1 billion isk was chicken **** back in 2006, what the **** is wrong with you all?

Here's a heads up for all you pathetic whiners, CCP will do nothing about it because....it's all part of the game.

If you dont like being scammed dont put yourself in the postion of being scammed.

If you don't like a game that has scamming in it...then **** off to all the other carebear mmo's out there.

Your whining just makes you look as pathetic as the dude who got scammed. Get a sense of humour lol.

Nice job Erotica1, finally a recording that beats TANK CEO's.

/tiphat
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5753 - 2014-03-27 17:31:47 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:


Do not answer with a counter question mate. please.


You're asking redundant questions. I'm asking the ones that everyone keeps dodging, as you just did. Ero and co were quite polite. Sokhar was enjoying himself, even laughing at one point, right up until where he became an arse.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5754 - 2014-03-27 17:31:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Andski wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Nobody will stay in a situation where they are subjected to torture, if they can escape it.


http://i.imgur.com/QcCJqnS.png


The fact that you can walk away doesn't excuse scumbag behavior.


No, but it does mitigate it.


False.

Being able to walk away from a situation in which you are being subjected to torture, does not stop the actions being taken against you from being torture.

Being restrained from leaving the situation is furthermore not a pre-condition to something fulfilling the definition of torture.

Voluntarily entering into a situation in which you are then subjected to torture, is also not a pre-condition to it fulfilling the definition of torture.

Erm, yes it does. If you leave, the "torture" cannot happen.

He was free to leave at any time, both before and after he was laughing about the situation.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5755 - 2014-03-27 17:31:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

False.

Being able to walk away from a situation in which you are being subjected to torture, does not stop the actions being taken against you from being torture.

Being restrained from leaving the situation is furthermore not a pre-condition to something fulfilling the definition of torture.

Voluntarily entering into a situation in which you are then subjected to torture, is also not a pre-condition to it fulfilling the definition of torture.


Cite one example where a court (ANYWHERE) agreed with this nonsense, when discussing TORTURE.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#5756 - 2014-03-27 17:32:00 UTC
I would suggest that CCP is unlikely to perma ban Ero for his actions, but will instead provide guidelines which will further define what is acceptable and what is not.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5757 - 2014-03-27 17:32:40 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:


I am not sure about that. The publicity surrounding the bonus room may be a crucial component to convincing people to join it. If he just took the money and ran, then people would put up forum posts saying "Erotica 1 Bonus Room doesn't exist. He just takes your money and kicks you.". By doing a legitimate (but hard to win) competition, its easier to convince people to join.

I highly doubt I could convince people to do a bonus round.


That's not my point. Jenn aSide claims that these bonus rounds aren't the public's business. That's not the case because he's made the bonus rounds public.

In advertising his business, scam, or whatever you want to call it through posting sound recordings, he made it public.

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Big Lynx
#5758 - 2014-03-27 17:32:50 UTC
I bet Ero and co. are changing panties every hour. Twisted
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5759 - 2014-03-27 17:33:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If I were to repeat myself any more I would be mistaken for a parrot


Well you know how to solve that problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#5760 - 2014-03-27 17:33:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about

Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture


See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent