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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5681 - 2014-03-27 17:10:11 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:

So let me ask you some simple questions:
Does Erotic 1 deserve a ban (some are even pushing for a lifetime ban)?
If yes, on what grounds?
Which rules did he break to result in this punishment?


I do not think he deserves a ban within the current set of the games rules. As I said before, victims willingly put themselves through his horrible mind games. They can opt out of playing or leave at anytime they chose. What I would like to see happen is for CCP to change the rules, and if Erotica 1 keeps doing what he's doing, then and only then would he deserve a ban.

The problem is not that Erotica 1 is breaking the rules. It's that he's doing something we should have rules against, which is his method of humiliating players. I have nothing against scamming at all (and this is coming from someone who was scammed in the past). What I do have a problem with is humiliating someone until they break.

Only the first part of these bonus rooms is a scam. The rest is shitting all over someone until they drown in it for several hours.


Humiliation isn't some sort of crime that needs to be fixed. If you do't want to be humiliated, don't let people humiliate you, don't take humiliating actions.

It's the same as people do in real life, they try to legislate 'protections' for things that are and should be private matters.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5682 - 2014-03-27 17:10:34 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:



I'm quite certain that for me to prove my point to you became impossible few posts back so I'm not gonna even bother.


Only because you haven't provided any proof.


Uh OH look.
I AGAIN deleted a important part of his post to disturb the integrity of his opinion so I can look better again.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

To become ******** it's like your next milestone in life hahahahahahaha

Keep going broski Einstein. I'm actually starting to enjoy this tête-à-tête


Your assumption that anything you say is important amuses me. Please, continue.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5683 - 2014-03-27 17:10:42 UTC
ITT too many fear mongers who think that one creep getting punishment will automatically mean it is precedent for everyone else getting perma-banned.

Way to blow things out of proportions.

Imagine if CCP did nothing, then it would be saying that they accept this kind of behavior.
Prince Kobol
#5684 - 2014-03-27 17:10:58 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5685 - 2014-03-27 17:11:01 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.

Taking something from a virtual world to cause real impact to an individual, when the initial 'humiliation' was performed voluntarily?

I'd say he'd have a case to sue and likely win.

Physical harm? No brainer.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5686 - 2014-03-27 17:11:18 UTC
You know the common character in the movies? The violent criminal that loves to taunt the cops and DA with his superior intellect. Oh, they know what he's up to, but they can't quite get him because this guy read the TV book of law and now knows exactly how to break the spirit of the law while technically staying within the letter of it.

Not that it really matters. He's just such a lovable scamp that we adore him anyway. We see him as the victim and because he's so gosh darn cute in the way he sadistically manipulates people we clap at the end when law and order lose.

You know what? THAT **** AIN'T REAL!

Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. When the people who make the rules know you are being a ****, you get stomped on. When your sycophants try to come to your rescue, they are ignored. When it happens in/out of an MMO it won't be long before people are asking, Erotica who?

Oh yeah. Good morning everyone.

Mr Epeen Cool
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5687 - 2014-03-27 17:11:55 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Hmm.. you seem to be having problems reading again...


If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM bolded that part for you Big smile

Yet again avoiding a very simple question. You seem to do that a lot these days.

A simple yes or no and short explanation as to why will suffice


He would have to stop scamming on his mains.


That is not an answer to the question I posted which you have edited out.. let me ask again..

"If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all."

Does that help?



Its not going to happen. Nobody is going to fire someone for asking someone to sing gummybears.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5688 - 2014-03-27 17:12:09 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Asking them to do or say humiliating things is where Erotica 1 crosses the line from scammer to sadist.


Part of the reason why I love EVE so much is that when you lose at PVP, you actually LOSE something. It's more tangible than just having to respawn.

I love that I'm potentially ruining someone's day a little by blowing up their space pixels.

That's a sadistic pleasure.

Experiencing even the slightest bit of schadenfreude is also a sadistic pleasure.

So stop bandying about with terms like "morally indefensible", "sadistic", or "psychological torture".

If you've ever committed corp espionage, you've done something that's morally indefensible.

if you've ever performed any activity whatsoever to try and make a person not want to play the game, you've set yourself to find a way to torture their psyche.

If you've ever pvped, or taken pleasure at someone's downfall in EVE (like Mittens being kicked from the CSM), then you've done something sadistic.

The question to be asked is: In a game where you can spend a year, or more, becoming a close friend of people just so you can shank them in the back when it matters most, how is this worse?

... that's not rhetorical.


Maybe it's just me, but when my ship gets blown up I don't have to go into teamspeak, sing ten to twenty songs to the person that killed me, contract my assets and donate my ISK to him, read things that I would have trouble saying outloud, stay up three hours past my bedtime, get laughed at the whole time, get goaded and mocked, and then have everything posted for the rest of the player base to see.

If that happens to you every time you die, then I have no idea what game you're playing.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5689 - 2014-03-27 17:12:15 UTC
I think CCP should also make Putin stop bullying the ukraine.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Salvos Rhoska
#5690 - 2014-03-27 17:12:34 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Okay, now YOU'RE the one drinking the erotica1 kool-aid. There is not, in fact, a pot of gold for the idiots that stick around the longest. The perps win no matter what.


Then the only remaining justification or motive for the entire Bonus Room situation, is causing suffering to the victim.
This simplifes the consideration, and makes it even easier to condenm this activity.
It does, however, not relate to whether this constitutes torture or not.

Batelle wrote:
You criticized me earlier when I brought up contract law, and I explained how there are multiple reasons why no such contract can exist.


This is because you do not understand that the agreement between perpetrator and victim to enter the Bonus Room situation, constitutes a contract.

If you are going to argue that there can be no contract because there are no actual, real or owned assets involved, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

Batelle wrote:
wtf are you talking about. You're supposed to be explaining how the "victim" isn't a voluntary party to the events in question.

Nobody is voluntarily party to torture.

That exactly is the mechanism whereby the perpetrators force the victim out of the Bonus Room, which constitutes a "win" for them.

Nobody will stay in a situation where they are subjected to torture, if they can escape it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5691 - 2014-03-27 17:12:42 UTC
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:

Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that.
How more stupid can you get blunt razor?

And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with.
That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.


I don't care of who's in on the crusade against another player. I'm posting in regards to this posse formed by a vindictive csm against someone who just scammed some players and asked them to sing songs.

I don't care one iota for any internal politics in goons or who kicked who for what. It is irrelevant.
I listened to the recording and heard someone having a laugh and someone being a bigot, a racist and threatening a fellow man with murder.

Try and take it any direction you want but this says a lot more about you than it does about me.

My razor is quite sharp, thank you very much.

And that's your problem and narrow mindset.
Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else.

Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics.


Unlike you, I've read everything posted and have spoken to many of the people involved.
Unless you can provide me with proof to the contrary of what my proof points out, I'm quite confident in bringing this madness to light.

D.

Bear


If you have truly spoken to everybody involved and truly have reviewed the damning evidence pertaining to Erotica 1's psychopathic ploys and sadistic acts of torment and abuse he applies to victims he finds from EVE Online and yet still are saying "HEY GUYS EVERYTHING IS OKAY EROTICA IS A GOOD GUY",

You are lying through your teeth.

And mind you, you are now claiming to have reviewed the evidence and you are lying to this community that Erotica 1 did not commit abuse against the members of this community through real life communications.

You lie and say, Erotica 1 did not gather NSFW pictures of his victims from bonus rooms and disseminated them on forums.

You lie and say, Erotica 1 did not have bonus room victims write whatever he wanted on their bodies with mayo, get pictures taken and disseminate them.

Yet these are very well established in both the words of Erotica 1 himself, and in the pictures he disseminated.

If you have reviewed all the evidence, then how come you were ignoring another CSM member, mynnna'a posts in this thread in which he authenticated Erotica 1's further psychopathic acts?

Answer is very simple. You are trying to whitewash a psychopath. You are lying to this great community. You are trying to trick this community to throw whatever little support can be thrown at the back of a sadist and a psychopath.

Shame must be an alien concept to you.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5692 - 2014-03-27 17:13:23 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.


What if E1 is retired?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5693 - 2014-03-27 17:13:27 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


"Eroticing" just doesn't have the same ring to it as "awoxing" does.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5694 - 2014-03-27 17:13:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow indeed.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5695 - 2014-03-27 17:13:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:



I'm quite certain that for me to prove my point to you became impossible few posts back so I'm not gonna even bother.


Only because you haven't provided any proof.


Uh OH look.
I AGAIN deleted a important part of his post to disturb the integrity of his opinion so I can look better again.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

To become ******** it's like your next milestone in life hahahahahahaha

Keep going broski Einstein. I'm actually starting to enjoy this tête-à-tête


Your assumption that anything you say is important amuses me. Please, continue.


So you assume you know better?
That's how conversations go in your life?

Honestly... I kinda understand you know even better. I'm sorry. I really am. It's sad.

...



hahahahahahahah
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5696 - 2014-03-27 17:14:05 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


ze ****,
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5697 - 2014-03-27 17:14:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
You know the common character in the movies? The violent criminal that loves to taunt the cops and DA with his superior intellect. Oh, they know what he's up to, but they can't quite get him because this guy read the TV book of law and now knows exactly how to break the spirit of the law while technically staying within the letter of it.

Not that it really matters. He's just such a lovable scamp that we adore him anyway. We see him as the victim and because he's so gosh darn cute in the way he sadistically manipulates people we clap at the end when law and order lose.

You know what? THAT **** AIN'T REAL!

Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. When the people who make the rules know you are being a ****, you get stomped on. When your sycophants try to come to your rescue, they are ignored. When it happens in/out of an MMO it won't be long before people are asking, Erotica who?

Oh yeah. Good morning everyone.

Mr Epeen Cool



+1

THIS

Just ban the predators, and in 2 days everything will go back to normal.

all the grandstanding douches supporting E1 will not unsub. Its not worth it.
Prince Kobol
#5698 - 2014-03-27 17:14:45 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.

Taking something from a virtual world to cause real impact to an individual, when the initial 'humiliation' was performed voluntarily?

I'd say he'd have a case to sue and likely win.

Physical harm? No brainer.


Well it was E1 who made this material in the first place, then posted it, surely he must take responsibility for his actions?
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5699 - 2014-03-27 17:15:11 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow indeed.


rofl
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5700 - 2014-03-27 17:15:11 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.


It is if you're going to call it torture, since your own definition specifies that it must be against "the will of the latter [victim]," and its demonstrable that the victim was willing.


It is normal and justified to assume that nobodies will includes being subject to torture.

The will of the two parties are as follows:

-The will of the perpetrators in the Bonus Room, is to force the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
This is how they win the Bonus Room.

-The will of the victim is to fulfill the terms of the contract, and receive the reward.
That is how they win the Bonus Room (supposedly).

In order for the perpetrators to win, and to actualise their will, they systematically and deliberately inflict acute psychological pain on the victim (as constitutes torture according to Amnesty International, as sourced in my sig)

This is how the perpetrators in the Bonus Room "win".

Torture is the mechanism whereby they enact that.


TIL singing Gummy Bears to the Rescue is "acute psychological pain".

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist