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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5601 - 2014-03-27 16:43:26 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I invite you to introduce your 'way of thinking' (I refuse to use the word logic for what you're attempting) at a TED conference one day.


A TED talk on how:

staying up late to play video games = forced sleep deprivation
singing a song = acute psychological pain
debasing yourself in pursuit of spaceship pixels = being tortured

Also, if you (salvos), as a self-described lawyer, could explain how the options available to and actions of the alleged victim are "not material" to determining if criminal harassment has taken place, that would be great too.

TED would love it.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5602 - 2014-03-27 16:43:29 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time.

LolLolLolLol

Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to.
Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough to have my vision skewed.


Are you about to form a circumstantial correlation as proof of something that doesn't actually prove anything?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5603 - 2014-03-27 16:43:41 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


No because we do not know if any rules were broken.

The rules are open to interpretation, we each have own opinion on how the rules can be interpreted. The only people who can say definitely if any rules were broken is CCP.

I guess with time we will find out.


We know what the rules are.

This is a rather simple case of people wanting to ban someone because they don't like what they did. It doesn't matter to them if rules were broken or not.

The worst part of all of this is that these people have been tossing about worse things that are against the rules both in the recording and in this very thread which are bannable offences. Yet for whatever reason people are choosing to ignore this and are gunning for someone who have broken no rules.
Regis Solo
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5604 - 2014-03-27 16:43:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:

Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'?


Well since I am not Jester I can only hazard a guess.

I will guess and say he is giving Sokhar the benefit of the doubt because he was under severe distress and had been driven to the point where he lost all control.

Now not knowing Sokhar personally I have no idea if he has ever voiced these kind of view points before in a calm and rational manner.

Whilst I personally feel these views are abhorrent, I do consider myself a fair person and understand that under certain circumstances when a person is in a highly emotional state then can say things that they regret later on.

However with that and still giving him the benefit of the doubt that he only said the things that he did due to the pressure he was under and his state of mind, he should still receive a ban if E1 does.

Ah, this brings us back to something someone wrote earlier:
If said person does not already harbour such thoughts in his heart, what would possess him to utter it during loss of control?

Does it imply that the person is, at heart, a racist bigot/prone to RL violence/etc? In my moments of anger I have uttered words which I would normally not say to the other person, which tend to go along the lines of what I really think of them, but would normally not utter for the sake of maintaining a civil work/family relationship. Those words do not contain threats of physical violence or racist bigotry though, although they may be personal insults.

What's your stance on this?



It is a valid argument, one I have head many times.

I usually reply with when you were a teenager how many times did you said I hate you mum / dad? Does that mean that as a teenager you truly hated them?

How many times have you heard somebody say "I wish you were dead" Did they really mean they wished they would die?

How many people have said in the heat of the moment to a partner I hate you only to then go on and live happy joyful lives together?

I have been called a scouse ******* a number of times, does that mean the person has a hatred of scouses or did they call me that because I am actually scouse?

The answer is there is no way of telling, especially the heat of the moment. It usually something which shows overtime by a person actions.


Ahh, a fellow scouser
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#5605 - 2014-03-27 16:44:02 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
This thread has a life of it's own, Threadzilla!

Anyway, taking bets on CCPs response, if any, being along the lines of: "We cannot take action on events that do not happen within our services. We are neither for nor against any behaviour a person takes outside of our system, with the exceptions of agreements made with CSM candidates."

...well that's probably the right answer.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5606 - 2014-03-27 16:44:56 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time.

LolLolLolLol

Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to.
Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough and might have my vision skewed.


The CNN post of yours got them running for the hills, I'm sure.
Boyo what a smart cookie, happy to have you playing the same game as me.


not


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Josef Djugashvilis
#5607 - 2014-03-27 16:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
lollerwaffle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.

"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."

The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.

Did you listen to the recording?


Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?

This is not a signature.
Salvos Rhoska
#5608 - 2014-03-27 16:45:28 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Also, if you (salvos), as a self-described lawyer

I have not anywhere claimed that I am a lawyer.

And how do you know I have not already spoken at TED?

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Brusanan
Free State Project
#5609 - 2014-03-27 16:45:55 UTC
Asuka Langley S wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.

"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."

The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.


I implore you tro actually listen to the recording as Jester has been proven to be heavily biased and lie.

This x1000.

Jester blatantly lied about the nature of the bonus room. Put down your pitchforks and go listen to the recording.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5610 - 2014-03-27 16:46:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.

"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."

The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.

Did you listen to the recording?


Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?


It seems he didnt listen to the recording either.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5611 - 2014-03-27 16:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Prince Kobol wrote:
I Riven I wrote:
If I ask my daughter to sing and I give her a donut, but in the end I dont give here anything.

Is this mental abuse? Should I go to jail because of it?


Tell me about my wrong doings please.



It depends, if it just once and between you and your daughter then of course not.

How about if I offered my son some food and kept taking it away from him until he becomes very distressed, filmed it all and then posted it on youtube..

Then repeated this a number times and posted each clip, would that be okay with you?

I take it you haven't seen the Jimmy Kimmel clips entitled "I told my kids I ate their Holloween candy". Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

HUGELY popular, although I don't care for them much.

3 years running

Keep in mind also, these are kids... not a full grown adult fully capable of saying no or clicking the X.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5612 - 2014-03-27 16:46:59 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It is possible to get angry enough that the mind searches for "the worst things to say".

Mel Gibson for example. Nobody goes into an explosive rant better IMO.


Now back in my day (TM) when people went into this state, it was uncommon for it to be full of racial and sexual slang and epithets.

Why was that?


Because back then such words were not lent such power. There was no political correctness turning mere words (which were also interchangeably used as terms of endearment) into weapons of mass destruction.


So now, when someone has gone completely off the end of their rope, their mind looks to the "shelf" of the worst things to say.

And guess what's on that shelf now, thanks to 20+ years of political correctness?


So of course it's only expected that the same victims (or fools who can't see how manipulated they are) will act like the person who said those words has committed an act completely disconnected from the mental state, one that was induced, in which those words were said.

It's like winning a trophy for these people, the sort that would use such incident as a whip of progressiveness to beat others with, such as "Oh so you say he was under duress? Why are you a racist too?".

The tactic is plainly obvious, and I see people do this on Twitter all of the time too.


Like I said, both Erotica 1 and his victims are at fault. The victims deserve zero sympathy. They knew exactly what they were getting into yet let their greed turn them into idiots. However what Erotica 1 does is just pure sadism with no rhyme or reason to it. He could get the same results (scamming people out of everything they own) by merely asking them to do the first part of the game (showing full faith). This would be perfectly fine. Asking them to do or say humiliating things is where Erotica 1 crosses the line from scammer to sadist.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5613 - 2014-03-27 16:47:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


No because we do not know if any rules were broken.

The rules are open to interpretation, we each have own opinion on how the rules can be interpreted. The only people who can say definitely if any rules were broken is CCP.

I guess with time we will find out.


We know what the rules are.

This is a rather simple case of people wanting to ban someone because they don't like what they did. It doesn't matter to them if rules were broken or not.

The worst part of all of this is that these people have been tossing about worse things that are against the rules both in the recording and in this very thread which are bannable offences. Yet for whatever reason people are choosing to ignore this and are gunning for someone who have broken no rules.


This

If this thread started as a "player x ganked me, BAN HIM!" we'd have laughed him out of the forums and locked them on the first page.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5614 - 2014-03-27 16:47:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.

"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."

The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.

Did you listen to the recording?


Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?


He kinda made a big elephant out of a small little fly, let's keep it at that.
And only on that part. The rest, he's just going all overboard with conjecture and bullshit in spades.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
CCP Falcon
#5615 - 2014-03-27 16:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
The feedback in this thread is very much appreciated, and we've been watching it since it was first posted.

While we can appreciate that tensions are high, please remember to keep within the forum rules when posting.

We'll have more information for you guys in the coming days.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5616 - 2014-03-27 16:47:44 UTC
Katkon Darnok wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I question "significant". Got some hard numbers? Sources?


Don't go down this road, my friend. It ends with a big black hole that is much deeper than EVE. It has been widely reported in US press recently, for instance, that military suicides are at an all-time high. You're presumably not looking for a number that allows you to sit back, in the comfort of your living room, and say: "Nah, it's not that bad. Those numbers are insignificant." It's one thing to bash folks about the game and loss of virtual assets, it's quite another to go down this road. Please avoid it altogether.


Yeah sorry - I'm going down this road, because some ***hat tried to pull "the vet card" to grandstand, and tried to present the psychological training you go through in the military as "torture", then compared said "torture" to someone flipping out over a video game because they lost their imaginary items, and then tried to insinuate some conclusion about suicide.

So yeah, I'm gonna go down that road, to whatever uncomfortable conclusion it leads, because :that***hat:.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5617 - 2014-03-27 16:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Also, if you (salvos), as a self-described lawyer

I have not anywhere claimed that I am a lawyer.

And how do you know I have not already spoken at TED?


Because no stupid people have ever spoken at TED.

And yes, you did claim to be a lawyer, and then edited the claim out after being notified that claiming to be a lawyer when you're not one can land you in a world of legal hurt.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
#5618 - 2014-03-27 16:48:40 UTC
Just wow...

Pathetic how many people can quote rules and regulations but can't use a bit of common sense. Bullies at school would do the same. Bait a person, never breaking the rules, but going to the authorities as soon as the victim tried to defend themselves. Certainly happened to me more than a few times.

It's not the victims fault that they are not as practised at being an ******* as Erotica 1 clearly is.

If CCP want to allow this to continue then that's their choice. But it will backfire one day. And then their will be a backlash. All you budding eSociopaths (because your all obviously real nice in RL) will lose far more freedoms than if you just allowed Erotica 1 to be quietly disposed of now.

I guess I better get back to the deplorable act of flying space ships in this space ship game.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5619 - 2014-03-27 16:48:44 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Interesting 3 accounts stopped replying at the same time.

LolLolLolLol

Sorry I'm slow. Just trying to find more news sources I can submit this story to.
Let's see what happens and how outside world sees it. I'm genuinely interested as I'm playing this game long enough to have my vision skewed.


Are you about to form a circumstantial correlation as proof of something that doesn't actually prove anything?


What, a observation is not allowed here now?
It's awesome community right? We can do all we want right?

Nope?

oh poor you. your hypocrisy strikes again and you can't even tell.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5620 - 2014-03-27 16:48:50 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The scam part is fine, this is the part that isn't acceptable for me, and why I consider the bahaviour of Ero and his buddies to be beyond the pale.

"...Early in the proceedings, the victim admits to having a minor speech impediment that quickly becomes apparent. One of the instigators pounces on this and suggests that any word the victim cannot pronounce properly, he be made to look up the definition for and read that definition as well..."

The above quote is taken from Jester's blog on the subject.

Did you listen to the recording?


Nope, I have really bad hearing in real life, are you saying that Jester made that part up?

I prefer to let people examine the evidence as it may be for themselves instead of telling them what's what.

However, in your case, I'm not sure what I could do to help. Maybe someone will come up with a transcript, but even then tone etc. cannot be transcripted successfully.