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H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#5501 - 2014-03-27 15:56:46 UTC
Batelle wrote:
If you want civility to be a rule, then we can add that. But its currently not a rule.


I've a bad feeling that it may become one because of this, and that makes me nervous.

It should make anyone who engages in non-consensual pvp a bit nervous.
Prince Kobol
#5502 - 2014-03-27 15:57:25 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.


But its not a violation of any rule in Eve.


That is up for debate and is not a fact
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5503 - 2014-03-27 15:57:36 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums.
Links or STFU.


Links to Erotica 1's posts were provided on this thread before and they were authenticated by another CSM member, mynnna.

Are you going to continue lying or are you able to feel shame to a degree that can stop you from lying?


No such links exist.
Ero NEVER asked ANYONE to do that stuff.

You are a lying little prick defending a racist bigot.

D.

Bear

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Asuka Langley S
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5504 - 2014-03-27 15:57:58 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.


But its not a violation of any rule in Eve.


That is up for debate and is not a fact


Which rule would this violate then?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5505 - 2014-03-27 15:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Crumplecorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Try again?
Wait, are you taking my posts where I call birthday parties torture to be serious?

I... I don't even.


Of course not. Its very clear that you're using sarcasm in a really poor attempt at rendering another person's opinion invalid.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5506 - 2014-03-27 15:58:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The will of the perpetrators in the Bonus Room is for the victim to leave the situation.
The will of the people torturing the victim is for him to stop being tortured?

I wish, for your sake, that mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport.


The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.

This is accomplished by torturing him, as outlined here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219


Yep, keep parroting your assertions. The problem is, the premises are wrong and you're still relying on circular reasoning. The 'scam' doesn't happen, doesn't work at all, without the willing participation of the 'victim'.

Try it. Go try isk doubling yourself, throw in a bonus room, and see how successful you are at scamming people out of their money if they choose not to give it to you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jerome Gouillot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5507 - 2014-03-27 15:58:45 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Boomtown Jones wrote:
Nobody who takes this issue seriously should still be posting in this thread, it's all just feeding the trolls. Send your thoughts to the devs and be done with it.

As a general rule if an argument on the internet does not make any sense it is often not worth responding to it.

Isn't that kinda what we're doing? The forum has been heavily moderated on this issue except for this threadnaught. It's abundantly clear they're giving us a wide berth to allow us to vent our concerns nad get an honest an opinion from the community as possible.

Frankly, I think this is an incredibly smart move on their part.


It might as well possible that they are avoiding risking their mental health by reading some of those dangerous posts. I wish I had ...
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5508 - 2014-03-27 15:59:22 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums.
Links or STFU.


Links to Erotica 1's posts were provided on this thread before and they were authenticated by another CSM member, mynnna.

Are you going to continue lying or are you able to feel shame to a degree that can stop you from lying?
This thread is two billion pages long. Repost the links, if they exist.

As for authenticated by a CSM member, the blog that is the topic of this thread shows the worth of a random CSM member's word.

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5509 - 2014-03-27 15:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums.
Links or STFU.


Links to Erotica 1's posts were provided on this thread before and they were authenticated by another CSM member, mynnna.

Are you going to continue lying or are you able to feel shame to a degree that can stop you from lying?


No such links exist.
Ero NEVER asked ANYONE to do that stuff.

You are a lying little prick defending a racist bigot.

D.

Bear


Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that.
How more stupid can you get blunt razor?

And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with.
That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.
Salvos Rhoska
#5510 - 2014-03-27 15:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
Since you're not getting this I'll try to make it simpler:

I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face until you walk away from me. You stand still and take the punches to the face without moving.

This is not torture.


Threatening me with physical violence is a crime.
Punching me in the face is a crime.
Continuing to punch me in the face though I stand still is a crime.

Try again.

For elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219

Torture is internationally pronounced illegal in almost every single jurisdiction on Earth.

Any even superficial indication that torture might be occuring requires immediate investigation by all concerned parties and authorities.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5511 - 2014-03-27 16:00:14 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Of course not. Its very clear that you're using sarcasm in a really poor attempt at rendering another person's opinion invalid.
I can't make your opinions invalid. Only you can do that.

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Prince Kobol
#5512 - 2014-03-27 16:00:43 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums.
Links or STFU.


Unless you have access to the forums where these posts / pics exist then links will prove pointless.



Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5513 - 2014-03-27 16:01:37 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Of course not. Its very clear that you're using sarcasm in a really poor attempt at rendering another person's opinion invalid.
I can't make your opinions invalid. Only you can do that.


In which case, you're just bad at trolling.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5514 - 2014-03-27 16:02:03 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
Since you're not getting this I'll try to make it simpler:

I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face until you walk away from me. You stand still and take the punches to the face without moving.

This is not torture.


I removed the parts of your post that didn't help explain how letting someone punch you in face is you being tortured.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5515 - 2014-03-27 16:02:49 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Oh yes, Erotica 1 has asked and received from his victims nsfw pictures of their significant others. And then, he posted them on forums.
Links or STFU.


Unless you have access to the forums where these posts / pics exist then links will prove pointless.



So, there's no links then. And no surprise either.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5516 - 2014-03-27 16:02:50 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
Since you're not getting this I'll try to make it simpler:

I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face until you walk away from me. You stand still and take the punches to the face without moving.

This is not torture.


Threatening me with physical violence is a crime.
Punching me in the face is a crime.
Continuing to punch me in the face though I stand still is a crime.

Try again.

For elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219


That entire 'elaboration' relies on the false premise that Sokhar was there against his will. Your 'elaboration' falls apart with a false premise. Do you even logic?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Asuka Langley S
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5517 - 2014-03-27 16:04:37 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The will of the perpetrators is for the victim to leave the Bonus Room.
That is how the perpetrators win the Bonus Room.
Since you're not getting this I'll try to make it simpler:

I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face until you walk away from me. You stand still and take the punches to the face without moving.

This is not torture.


Threatening me with physical violence is a crime.
Punching me in the face is a crime.
Continuing to punch me in the face though I stand still is a crime.

Try again.

For elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219

Torture is internationally pronounced illegal in almost every single jurisdiction on Earth.

Any even superficial indication that torture might be occuring requires immediate investigation by all concerned parties and authorities.


Your ability to deny edvience played right in front of you, then parrot your own defeated argument for this long astounds me.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5518 - 2014-03-27 16:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Prince Kobol wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.


This is just so far left field that I don't know where to begin. In order to force someone to do anything, you have to deny them a choice. Ero did not deny Sokhar the choice to hand over his assets to begin with, so your analogy is invalidated right there. Also invalidated automatically by "Grr Goons". What the **** do the Goons have to do with it? A whole bunch of them have been in the forums condemning Ero right along with you.

Crazy numpty.


Well I suppose E1 was part of Goonswarm therefore he will always be a goon in some peoples eyes.

However I am curious which goons have publicly condemned E1.. they seem to be supporting him unless I missed one of their posts which is fairly easy to do in a thread like this.


Sorry, I missed your post. I've read almost all of this entire thread and have been watching it from the very start, participating in it about 10-12 pages in, and it is difficult keeping up with everything. But no less entertaining.

Start with the guy who posted immediately after you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#5519 - 2014-03-27 16:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
That entire 'elaboration' relies on the false premise that Sokhar was there against his will. Your 'elaboration' falls apart with a false premise. Do you even logic?


This is clearly explained in my post here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219

The will of the perpetrators in the Bonus Room is that the victim leaves the room.
The will of the victim in the Bonus Room is to fulfill the contract and receive his reward.

The perpetrators of the Bonus Room facilitate their will, that the victim leaves the room, by subjecting him to torture.
This is against the will of the victim to remain in the Bonus Room to fulfill the contract and receive his reward, and it is also against the sovereign and untouchable right of every human being to not be subjected to torture under ANY circumstances.

Torture is internationally pronounced illegal in almost every single jurisdiction on Earth.

Any even superficial indication that torture might be occuring requires immediate investigation by all concerned parties and authorities.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5520 - 2014-03-27 16:05:38 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
I can't make your opinions invalid. Only you can do that.
In which case, you're just bad at trolling.
I didn't realise that being able to alter the actual objective validity of a statement through sheer force of will was the minimum bar for trolling these days. In my day we posted ASCII spam. Over dial-up modems. In the snow. Both ways.

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