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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5421 - 2014-03-27 15:32:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.

E1 didn't make him or anyone else do anything. They do so because they are greedy and/or stupid/incompetent. And that's on them.


Its not irrelevant just because you say it is.


No, but it is irrelevant when it states that 'online interactions are not rated by the ESRB'.


Bolded that so people can see it :) +1
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5422 - 2014-03-27 15:32:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

So could Ero, either Ero did not know he was taking it too far, in which case well... or, he did know and chose to continue, in which case he would be no loss to Eve Online should he be removed from the game.


Ero is not responsible for Sohkar. Sohkar is.

If Sohkar didn't like it, he should not have consented to it, and should have withdrawn consent (disconnected) when he found he didn't like it. Sohkar is a grown man.


Ero could have stopped the whole thing at any point, but he chose to continue, so if CCP decides to take any action against him, then he is also responsible for the consequences.


I assume Ero is a grown man.

Edited for clarity

I don't get it. Ero is supposed to take responsibility for himself AND for Sokhar? Why shouldn't Sokhar take responsibility for himself? Why would you apply double standards when it comes to taking responsibility for one's self?
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5423 - 2014-03-27 15:32:51 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.


I'm pretty sure sokhar is gonna be crossed if he finds out you think he's a vulnerable little victim.
I believe he's a grown man with a job as air traffic controller and a wife who loves him plenty.

Again, get your facts straight; asking someone to sing is NOT TORTURE in any way shape or form.
Dropping N-bombs and refusing to speak with someone from African descent = racistt.
Threatening to kill someone = mad.

D.

Bear


The discussion is not and never was about Sokhar. We are not discussing the victim.
Yet you continue to mention Sokhar, and casually continue to drop bits of what you hint is real life information into your posts.
If you'd like to reach the Erotica 1 standards of psychopathy, please do go ahead and continue acting like this.
Mario Putzo
#5424 - 2014-03-27 15:33:02 UTC
I don't have enough ISK to be an Erotica 1 alt.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5425 - 2014-03-27 15:33:28 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So imma put aside the rage and ask an opinion of both sides;

Almost 300 pages and nary a peep from ccp. No matter what side you're on...ain't that weird?


They are probably rewriting rules as we speak and will reveal them when ready so If I would be betting on it our privileges will be nerfed thx to fucktards like E1.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5426 - 2014-03-27 15:33:29 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

LOL, I got this vision of you typing furiously at the keyboard in fine 'that'll show him" fashion.


Its almost as if he cares about the community. You should take notes.


The 'community' is a collection of (hopefully) adults who are and shold be responsible for themselves. I am not their keeper or overlord.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5427 - 2014-03-27 15:33:34 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So imma put aside the rage and ask an opinion of both sides;

Almost 300 pages and nary a peep from ccp. No matter what side you're on...ain't that weird?


This was addressed earlier. It's likely that CCP are letting people vent about it, and taking the time to weigh up their options here. Given their experience with outrage on the forums in the past, they are probably aware that locking this thread or providing statements prematurely will result in more outrage.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5428 - 2014-03-27 15:33:35 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Note, thanks Prince Kobol for reminding me of PEGI, they too have since been contacted with links to audio, forum, etc for review and hopefully action.



Thank you.

I will also send this to the rating agency.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5429 - 2014-03-27 15:33:43 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse
Asking someone to sing = mental abuse and torture

I remember being mentally abused and tortured and some birthday parties when I was a kid actually....

Roll


Asking someone to post naked pictures of their significant other with the false promise that they will get their assets back and having them write your name on their bodies with mayonnaise is far from asking someone to sing a song.

You are trying to whitewash Erotica 1's sadistic ploys and psychopathic mental torture on victims he derives from EVE Online.

Needless to say, you are failing at that. It wouldn't surprise me if you are an Erotica 1 associate or an alt of Erotica 1 himself.

PS. If you are an Erotica 1 alt, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were abused as a children. Many victims of abuse who go rehabilitated turn to abusing others later in their lives.


Many proofs presented.

NOT.

You are inventing stuff as we go, are you?

D.

Bear


Stop signing your posts, it makes you look like an arrogant douche.
Big Lynx
#5430 - 2014-03-27 15:33:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:



The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.




Tell me please, which specific competence do I need for mining veldspar?


The actual gameplay is easy. But EVE has a society built around it, a ROUGH society and if you can't handle that , you should be on it.

Just like facebook. USING facebook is easy, dealing with facebook society is a total different thing. That's what I'm saying, if you can't stand the heat of the internet, get off the internet (rather than expecting people to play nice).


I partly understand your opinion, but you moving on thin ice. Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about what happened there.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5431 - 2014-03-27 15:33:58 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse
Asking someone to sing = mental abuse and torture

I remember being mentally abused and tortured and some birthday parties when I was a kid actually....

Roll


You and I both know that's not the same thing.

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Asuka Langley S
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5432 - 2014-03-27 15:34:14 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

So space money is narcotics, now?


Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value.


Actually we pay money for access to the game. ISK is worthless.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5433 - 2014-03-27 15:34:54 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Note, thanks Prince Kobol for reminding me of PEGI, they too have since been contacted with links to audio, forum, etc for review and hopefully action.



Thank you.

I will also send this to the rating agency.


That's actually a bad ass idea.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5434 - 2014-03-27 15:35:23 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Stop signing your posts, it makes you look like an arrogant douche.
Thanks for the tip.

Regards,
Crumplecorn

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Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#5435 - 2014-03-27 15:35:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So imma put aside the rage and ask an opinion of both sides;

Almost 300 pages and nary a peep from ccp. No matter what side you're on...ain't that weird?

While I doubt the silence will last much longer, I interpret the lack of CCP response as tacit support for E1's position. Scamming and deceit have always been a part of EVE. It's just that this particular instance was chosen to be sensationalized by a delusional few.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5436 - 2014-03-27 15:35:49 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.


I'm pretty sure sokhar is gonna be crossed if he finds out you think he's a vulnerable little victim.
I believe he's a grown man with a job as air traffic controller and a wife who loves him plenty.

Again, get your facts straight; asking someone to sing is NOT TORTURE in any way shape or form.
Dropping N-bombs and refusing to speak with someone from African descent = racistt.
Threatening to kill someone = mad.

D.

Bear


The discussion is not and never was about Sokhar. We are not discussing the victim.
Yet you continue to mention Sokhar, and casually continue to drop bits of what you hint is real life information into your posts.
If you'd like to reach the Erotica 1 standards of psychopathy, please do go ahead and continue acting like this.


It's important to mention Sokhar. He's no more a victim than he is an instigator. Do you think his racial and homophobic slurs and threats of violence were justified? And who are you, what are your qualifications and where is the diagnostic report you've prepared that any psychological diagnosis by you should be taken seriously?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5437 - 2014-03-27 15:36:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Alp Khan wrote:
You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse
Asking someone to sing = mental abuse and torture

I remember being mentally abused and tortured and some birthday parties when I was a kid actually....

Roll


You and I both know that's not the same thing.
Indeed not, you can't get out of a birthday party just by pressing a button, and the consequences for throwing a tantrum are far worse than losing spacebucks.

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#5438 - 2014-03-27 15:36:33 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:

Why are you assuming that he is mentally immature? Just because he has a speech impediment? Shocked


Not at all I'd assume. Rather because he contracted all his assets and entered the bonus room.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5439 - 2014-03-27 15:36:45 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.


Keep posting this type of stuff, I implore you. It really is making ero's case look better and better.
Yes, yes, asking someone to sing = the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another.

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear


No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.


There was no torture,
Torture is not something that was possible in the circumstances.
No one forced him into an interaction with erotica, no one ever dose.
He chose to have his isk doubled ( bumbass)
He agreed to the bonus room ( massive dumbass)
He at no point had so much as a shred of self respect and refused to whore himself for his greed...and said some pretty vile stuff when it eventually became obvious to him that he was played.

I don't like the bonus room but of erotica didn't break the tos, eula or any law then banning him opens the gates for players to demand other players be banned on nothing more than public opinion

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5440 - 2014-03-27 15:36:49 UTC
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