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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#5381 - 2014-03-27 15:20:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

Sohkar is a grown man.


Physically yes. But mentally?


I'm going to use bright letters here.

if Sohkar is mentally incapable of giving consent or understanding his actions, he should not be playing a game like EVE in the 1st place.


In which case it is CCP's role to assess the mental capacity of players prior to letting them connect. That's going to be fun given they rate the game as 12+

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Big Lynx
#5382 - 2014-03-27 15:20:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

Sohkar is a grown man.


Physically yes. But mentally?


I'm going to use bright letters here.

if Sohkar is mentally incapable of giving consent or understanding his actions, he should not be playing a game like EVE in the 1st place.


Hmm, that is not the issue here. Out of the audio I heard that he is well playing the game and had no problems, till Ero came up and problems began. The game is PEGI 12 btw.
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5383 - 2014-03-27 15:21:04 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.


Keep posting this type of stuff, I implore you. It really is making ero's case look better and better.
Yes, yes, asking someone to sing = the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another.

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear


No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5384 - 2014-03-27 15:21:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Others bring up a valid point.

EVE Online is rated TEEN - violence.

CCP simply cant afford to allow a gang of online predators to operate their pseudo-**** ring in this game, as they would be liable when a recording of a mental **** and abuse of a 12-year old kid will come out. Not a matter of if, but when.

Bottom line:

BAN THEM ALL.


Good point.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5385 - 2014-03-27 15:21:34 UTC
dexington wrote:


You want to play a game rated pegi 12, with people who tries you lure on voice comms and ask you cover you body in mayo and peanut butter, and send them the pictures... you might like that, i find that very very creepy.

You can claim that it's perfectly normal and just fun and games, i don't agree... i don't think we will ever agree.


No agreement is required because those things you claim happened, do you have any evidence of them occurring? Because no one ever lured anyone anywhere for mayo or peanut butter pictures, and no one asked for those pictures. The mayo one is an unsubstantiated rumor that you've come to believe (read: a lie that you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker), and the peanut butter pic was given voluntarily by a fan, with no way to identify who was in the picture.

Learn to be a bit skeptical, dude. Do you just believe everything you hear or do you just believe this stuff because it suits your bias? I think you want to believe it to be true because it provides you with validation for your hatred. You just enjoy hating Ero.

If they didn't already have hate in their hearts, then they wouldn't hate.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5386 - 2014-03-27 15:22:16 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
"Since 1973Amnesty International has adopted the simplest, broadest definition of torture:

"Torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another, or on a third person, in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter."

Erotica1 inflicts systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, through means of several hours of subjecting the victim to demeaning and humiliating tasks alongside harassment and insulting from himself and his peers, in order to accomplish their purpose of causing the victim to leave the situation, against the will of the victim to fulfill the Bonus Rooms demands for the reward promised in the contract of the Bonus Room between the victim and the perpetrators.

It is not necessary to be restrained or prevented from being able to remove oneself from the situation, for it to constitue torture, and in this incidence, it is exactly that which the perpetrators are leveraging against the victim.

An analogy would be a wife remaining in an abusive relationship with a husband who inflicts upon her systematic and deliberate acute psychological pain, because she knows that if she files for divorce, all the assets, including the house, would remain in the property of her husband, as they are in his name. What the husband is doing to her, though superficially enabled by her remaining, nonetheless constitutes torture, as he is accomplishing the purposes of his will, namely of her remaining there for him to torture, against the will of the latter to leave the situation, as he knows full well she can and will not because then she is homeless and destitute.

That Erotica1 causes the victims acute psychological pain, is evidenced by the psychological state the conduct they are subjected to in the Bonus Room results in. The victims are obviously suffering from it. Of that there is no question.


Keep posting this type of stuff, I implore you. It really is making ero's case look better and better.
Yes, yes, asking someone to sing = the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain by one person on another.

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear



Reported for spam.

+1 real mature stuff here.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5387 - 2014-03-27 15:22:19 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

So could Ero, either Ero did not know he was taking it too far, in which case well... or, he did know and chose to continue, in which case he would be no loss to Eve Online should he be removed from the game.


Ero is not responsible for Sohkar. Sohkar is.

If Sohkar didn't like it, he should not have consented to it, and should have withdrawn consent (disconnected) when he found he didn't like it. Sohkar is a grown man.


Ero could have stopped the whole thing at any point, but he chose to continue, so if CCP decides to take any action against Ero, then he is also responsible for the consequences.


I assume Ero is a grown man.


Yes, but it's not his responsibility to protect Sohkar. That's SOHKAR's responsibility.

Like if you are a Vegan and you walk into a McDonalds, it's not their responsibility to stop serving beef, t;s your responsibility to leave because you don't like people serving you beef.

As long as I've been alive I have marveled at the fact that the idea of personal responsibility (to yourself if no one else) is so foreign to people.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5388 - 2014-03-27 15:22:40 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
All first time offenders caught in gang raping has a get out of jail freecard, yes?



E1 seems to think so.

Bad news for E1 - doesnt work that way.
Salvos Rhoska
#5389 - 2014-03-27 15:23:16 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
As in my example, entering into marriage union with a husband who later begins to torture her, is also voluntary.

It is immaterial to Erotica1s conduct fullfilling the definition of torture provided above.
Torture is not a part of marriage. Entering the bonus room is part of entering the bonus room.


Lolwhat?

You just confirmed that entering into the Bonus Room is entering into torture.

Freudian Slip? You just revealed your cards, sir.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jerome Gouillot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5390 - 2014-03-27 15:23:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

Sohkar is a grown man.


Physically yes. But mentally?


I'm going to use bright letters here.

if Sohkar is mentally incapable of giving consent or understanding his actions, he should not be playing a game like EVE in the 1st place.


And not control airtraffic, at least please not planes that I am using ...
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5391 - 2014-03-27 15:23:43 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Until you can do that you have no business having your own opinion, much less stating it.

Wow, this is first time I've seen someone tell another person that they are not allowed to have an opinion Shocked
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5392 - 2014-03-27 15:23:44 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse
Asking someone to sing = mental abuse and torture

I remember being mentally abused and tortured and some birthday parties when I was a kid actually....

Roll

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Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5393 - 2014-03-27 15:24:03 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
As in my example, entering into marriage union with a husband who later begins to torture her, is also voluntary.

It is immaterial to Erotica1s conduct fullfilling the definition of torture provided above.
Torture is not a part of marriage. Entering the bonus room is part of entering the bonus room.


Torture is not a part of what Erotica 1 advertises among his services either. Yet Erotica 1's bonus rooms are all about sadistic ploys that instill psychopathic mental torture on victims who Erotica 1 sources from EVE Online on Teamspeak.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5394 - 2014-03-27 15:24:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Like if you are a Vegan and you walk into a McDonalds, it's not their responsibility to stop serving beef, t;s your responsibility to leave because you don't like people serving you beef.

"Beef"

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5395 - 2014-03-27 15:24:58 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Josef Djugashvilis]There is a lot of talk about how the mark could have stopped the whole thing at any point.

Sohkar is a grown man.


Physically yes. But mentally?


I'm going to use bright letters here.

if Sohkar is mentally incapable of giving consent or understanding his actions, he should not be playing a game like EVE in the 1st place.


Hmm, that is not the issue here. Out of the audio I heard that he is well playing the game and had no problems, till Ero came up and problems began. The game is PEGI 12 btw.


The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.

E1 didn't make him or anyone else do anything. They do so because they are greedy and/or stupid/incompetent. And that's on them.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5396 - 2014-03-27 15:25:08 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
No.

You are trying to make it appear as if Erotica 1 does not do all that mental torture and abuse over Teamspeak for his sick and disgusting pleasure.

Just because a victim shows vulnerability does not make Erotica 1's sadistic ploy and his disgusting mental torture justified.

Being vulnerable is not an offense to anybody. Taking advantage of the vulnerable for your own sadistic pleasure is.

This is why Erotica 1 needs to be cast away from this community until a time that he can establish himself to be reformed and rehabilitated by a certified health care professional.


I'm pretty sure sokhar is gonna be crossed if he finds out you think he's a vulnerable little victim.
I believe he's a grown man with a job as air traffic controller and a wife who loves him plenty.

Again, get your facts straight; asking someone to sing is NOT TORTURE in any way shape or form.
Dropping N-bombs and refusing to speak with someone from African descent = racistt.
Threatening to kill someone = mad.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5397 - 2014-03-27 15:25:10 UTC
Jerome Gouillot wrote:
And not control airtraffic, at least please not planes that I am using ...
He didn't say he was an ATC, he said he 'controls planes'. 'Plane Controller' is a common profession among those trying to make up professions on the spot.

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I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5398 - 2014-03-27 15:25:53 UTC
I know right?


person 1: "hey if you sing a song Ill give you candy"

person 2: "why are you trying to mental abuse me?"

person 3: "ok then read this text"

person 2: "ok enough Im contacting the police"
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5399 - 2014-03-27 15:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kikusama wrote:
After reading about this story and after reading parts of this thread I am terribly saddened that a disturbing part of the EvE Online player community is actually naming what this player did a "play style". I know (and hope) this isn't the majority of this community, as I've witnessed EvE players doing wonderful things (the typhoon relief PLEX thing being one of them).

There is no such thing when you are purposely applying psychological torture to a person and prolong it for hours, then posting the recording on the internet. Even if it took place out of the game, it is still related to EvE by the assets which started it all, so there is no denying that CCP should take action. From what we've seen so far, I trust them completely to apply common sense to the problem and act decisively. And I might add here that usually when there's so much quietness coming from CCP, the decision will be properly hammered-in, so to speak.

I would also recommend Erotica 1 to take up an appointment with a psychiatrist, and this is in no way an attack, but a really friendly and concerned suggestion. In-game tear extraction is different from the out of game (but game-related) harassment and this should be a concern to anyone, especially the developer.


You talk about science in your sig, but science is a privilege and a gift given to us by people capable of rational, critical thought, dialectic discussion and argument and debate and built up through the centuries against great dogmatic adversaries.

You have demonstrated none of the virtues that science, throughout history, has excelled in. You have jumped to conclusions based on a preconceived bias like every other pubbie on a witch hunt in here. You don't deserve science. But thank the stars you get it anyway, and thank the people who put in the work, the blood, the sweat, the tears, the jail time, the brain power and the centuries, to provide it for you. Maybe, if you applied some reason to your conclusions, you might actually be worthy of what science provides.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5400 - 2014-03-27 15:26:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


The game rating is irrelvent. If you are a child or incompetent you shouldn't be playing it.

E1 didn't make him or anyone else do anything. They do so because they are greedy and/or stupid/incompetent. And that's on them.


Its not irrelevant just because you say it is.