EVE General Discussion

To me these are two distinct cases of people no behaving as we would expect mature persons to.

There's no justification for racist or else rants, as well as there is no justification for continuing with the bonus room long after everyone involved should have noted that the person is on his way to snap.

This is not an irrational witch hunt. It's very clear that RL-threats, racism and so on are inacceptable, so I don't see anything to discuss regarding the final words of Sokhar.

It's however not clear where the line is or should be in E1's bonus room. And this is what the community can discuss. CCP will do whatever they feel is right anyway.

Also, the people that see this thread as a harassment of E1... yeah, guess Kimye/Justin/Paris etc. also feel harassed every now and then, but somehow this is also a consequence of their own decisions.

My view and then I'll try not to post in the thread anymore: This should not lead to a ban, but I would like CCP to discretely hand out warnings, that, should in the future emerge a similar discussion there will be consequences.

Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.

This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.

Assuming you deserve anything more. Cute.

I wanted him to sing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' while simultaneously faking an orgasm, or 'Smells like teen spirit' in spoken word form, by the style of William Shatner.

Lynch mob is a bit extreme, he's only calling for Erotica 1 to be banned from a simple computer game.

No, this is a segment of the community expressing it's condemnation, and expecting that condemnation to translate into direct action against a person who broke no definitive rules. And it's wrong.

I and other members of this community are not condemning Erotica1 (though we are not necessarily condoning it either).

But we recognize the fact that not only was what Sohkar did worse than anything Erotica1 did or could have done to precipitate it, but also the response of the enraged portion of the community (asking for his expulsion and wishing physical violence on him) is also worse than what Erotcia1 does.

You don't fix the ills of a society by being worse than the ills you want to fix. That only works in action movies.

Whilst the rules are not definitive, they rarely are for a reason, there is certainly the room in them for CCP to declare if E1 was in wrong and punish him.

Lynch mob is a bit extreme, he's only calling for Erotica 1 to be banned from a simple computer game.

To begin with if you read my opening post no where do I state my own opinion.

Yes my opinion is that he should be banned, he took something which I proud we have and need to keep in game, something which I do myself, something that is unique to Eve.. scamming, and crossed the line.

Yes it is only my opinion and luckily I am able to voice it , just as other people are allowed to voice so long as it does not break any forum rules.

If he has broken the rules, so much the better as it no longer becomes a morale or ethical issue for CCP lifting the burden on them somewhat.

However unlike a few others I believe that rules and laws are not written in stone. Life is not Black and White. Rules and Laws can not account for every action and situation that can occur.

You will always have exceptions hence why rules and laws are changed, modified, added, removed over time.

E1 deliberately takes his scams out of game for the sole reason to cause as much humiliation as he can thinking that he will not / could not be banned.

Why record it, post it on a website if you are not out to cause maximum humiliation?

Those saying that he only did so because Eve sucks sucks (which it does) is a very poor excuse. He does so to record everything, unless you can now record using Eve Voice?

He was even kicked from Widot, which is a cesspool of a forum because even they did not like what he was doing. Believe me it takes some doing to get kicked from there and perma banned.

E1 claims he left, it was his choice and was told by directors to stay, yet Mynnna stated he was kick due to him boasting about his antics.

Who do you believe, E1 or Mynnna?

E1 is not good for our community and in no way enhances it. All he is doing is reinforcing the view that many outside of Eve already have which is we all deranged psychopaths trying to make life hell for everybody in anyway we can when in reality we have a great community for the most part.

I think you hit the nail on the head with that . Where is the line in these situations. For all discussions and commentators most agree, myself including scamming is fine. But once scam is completed and you have all possible assets extracted , is it ok to prolong the ordeal for the sucker ( victime , self inflicted) for tear extraction as it is called in-game. Should the EULA be more stringent on that aspect of scamming. Me personally i say yes . As for punshment i will disagree , there should be perma ban for Erotica1 for taking it too far, then putting this public domain which has a consequence for the whole community. There should be a temp ban for the sucker (victim ,self inflicted ) for the racism , and threats that followed. Why the lesser punishment . He was under self inflicted emotional duress, which was not completely under his control as his assets where being held to ransom , by that he had to play or loose everything he built up in his eve carrier . Coercion is used by Erotica1 , the scenario was set up by erotica1 , The control to end this was completely in Erotica1 hands . Ultimate responsibility is with the scammer Erotica1 for this entire situation