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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5201 - 2014-03-27 14:02:23 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.


Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Big Lynx
#5202 - 2014-03-27 14:02:44 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.


Too late, but cute.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5203 - 2014-03-27 14:02:45 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.


Are you sure he has not broken any rules...

Did you write the rules?

The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times.

As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone.

I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not.

For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress.

That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you.

If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does".

It's not the topic, more the approach.

You are just mad you can't argue against me without insults and strawmanning.

Nope. Still the same one liner. Try again.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5204 - 2014-03-27 14:03:24 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is no witch-hunt.

This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.
witch-hunt n. : a rigorous campaign to round up or expose dissenters on the pretext of safeguarding the welfare of the public

ez game ez life

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5205 - 2014-03-27 14:03:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is no witch-hunt.

This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.



This is contradictory if the community isn't equally condemning Sokhar's conduct.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#5206 - 2014-03-27 14:04:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Here is your testimony:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.


If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.


Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad.

No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal.

Quote:
Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm.
It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.


Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE.

Quote:
Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs.


As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread.

Checkmate.


Why are you not in jail? You should be according to your own testimony.
Only reason you are not, is the victim did not press charges.

You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5207 - 2014-03-27 14:05:13 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.


Losing space pixels to a scam and singing a song makes you a racist bigot. Call the NAACP!


No dropping N-bombs, refusing to speak with someone from African descent and threatening people with their life does.
All of which Sokhar did, by the way.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5208 - 2014-03-27 14:05:13 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.

So transparent.
Thanking CCP won't make em go easy on you.
Anslo
Scope Works
#5209 - 2014-03-27 14:05:24 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.

Self serving and pointless. Wanna make a statement? Livestream you biomassing all toons and canceling all subs. Otherwise gtfo.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5210 - 2014-03-27 14:05:36 UTC
embrel wrote:


Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.


I don't see why people watch nasty shows like Fear Factor or Jack Ass or Maury "you are not the Father" Povich. However just because I don't like that stff doesn't mean the Government should come in and confiscate all their property.

That's what we are talking about here. People what Erotica1 gone, want CCP to take all his stuff , want him prosecuted and want people to kick him in his face so they can laugh at it.

And we're simply saying that wanting all those things just because someone does something we don't like is a worse wrong than anything Erotica1 has done.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5211 - 2014-03-27 14:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Here is your testimony:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.


If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.


Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad.

No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal.

Quote:
Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm.
It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.


Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE.

Quote:
Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs.


As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread.

Checkmate.


Why are you not in jail? You should be according to your own testimony.
Only reason you are not, is the victim did not press charges.

You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?


Because you don't go to jail if you don't commit a crime, dumbarse.

You are the worst lawyer ever.

I'm going to assume that since you're still strawmanning by addressing my personal story instead of the point of the story that you have no point yourself, therefore further interaction with you is redundant?

I think I'm actually enjoying it though, it's entertaining me now. So carry on.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5212 - 2014-03-27 14:05:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.


Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything!


I vote for making him read this thread out loud, can he outpace our posting speed Twisted
Mario Putzo
#5213 - 2014-03-27 14:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

You think it is legal to deliberately drive a two-ton truck at people to the result of pinning them against a garage-door?


Nope, prove intent to injure, could those people have moved out of the way at any point?
Prince Kobol
#5214 - 2014-03-27 14:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.


Are you sure he has not broken any rules...

Did you write the rules?

The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times.

As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone.

I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not.

For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress.

That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you.

If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does".

It's not the topic, more the approach.



To begin with if you read my opening post no where do I state my own opinion.

Yes my opinion is that he should be banned, he took something which I proud we have and need to keep in game, something which I do myself, something that is unique to Eve.. scamming, and crossed the line.

Yes it is only my opinion and luckily I am able to voice it , just as other people are allowed to voice so long as it does not break any forum rules.

If he has broken the rules, so much the better as it no longer becomes a morale or ethical issue for CCP lifting the burden on them somewhat.

However unlike a few others I believe that rules and laws are not written in stone. Life is not Black and White. Rules and Laws can not account for every action and situation that can occur.

You will always have exceptions hence why rules and laws are changed, modified, added, removed over time.

E1 deliberately takes his scams out of game for the sole reason to cause as much humiliation as he can thinking that he will not / could not be banned.

Why record it, post it on a website if you are not out to cause maximum humiliation?

Those saying that he only did so because Eve sucks sucks (which it does) is a very poor excuse. He does so to record everything, unless you can now record using Eve Voice?

He was even kicked from Widot, which is a cesspool of a forum because even they did not like what he was doing. Believe me it takes some doing to get kicked from there and perma banned.

E1 claims he left, it was his choice and was told by directors to stay, yet Mynnna stated he was kick due to him boasting about his antics.

Who do you believe, E1 or Mynnna?

E1 is not good for our community and in no way enhances it. All he is doing is reinforcing the view that many outside of Eve already have which is we all deranged psychopaths trying to make life hell for everybody in anyway we can when in reality we have a great community for the most part.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5215 - 2014-03-27 14:08:52 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:

Nope. Still the same one liner. Try again.


Assuming you deserve anything more. Cute.
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5216 - 2014-03-27 14:09:33 UTC
*counts down to the time someone kills himself due a scam or bonusroom in eve*
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5217 - 2014-03-27 14:09:44 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.


Remember guys, if he loses, I get that stuff, so put him through the wringer. I want freaking Lady Gaga and everything!


I vote for making him read this thread out loud, can he outpace our posting speed Twisted


I wanted him to sing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' while simultaneously faking an orgasm, or 'Smells like teen spirit' in spoken word form, by the style of William Shatner.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5218 - 2014-03-27 14:10:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Self serving and pointless. Wanna make a statement? Livestream you biomassing all toons and canceling all subs. Otherwise gtfo.
What statement would that make? "I do stupid things because people on the Internet tell me to"? Somehow I think E1 will see through that kind of thing.

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#5219 - 2014-03-27 14:11:04 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
embrel wrote:
Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.
Nice of you to show the true basis of your post right at the end.


well yeah, guess that's what it's all about if you think about it.

is it fun to agonize the village idiot?

I do not consider it to be and I do not consider people that are taking their high from agonizing the village idiot to be cool or nice or good or many positive attributes.

I don't have an issue if you scam him out of his 401k, but you do it discreetly and without the agonizing part.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#5220 - 2014-03-27 14:11:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I wanted him to sing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' while simultaneously faking an orgasm, or 'Smells like teen spirit' in spoken word form, by the style of William Shatner.



ROFLMAO!!!! Big smile

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