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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5181 - 2014-03-27 13:55:07 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If anyone wants to know why I have been so fervently opposed to the witch hunt/lynch mob whipped up by the despicable Ripard Teg, this is why. I always took this quote to heart:

Quote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.





Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next


Oh hello mister straw man. I liked that movie you were in, very clever movie. You were never too bright though, were you.

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....

You just went full ******.


What Nazi analogy? Clearly you missed the point of the quote so, let me spell it out for you.

Social injustice is EVERYONE'S problem, and witch hunting is a social injustice, with the Socialists, Trade Unions and Jews as the witches. You think only Nazis hate on Jews? Have you been to Infowars lately?

I would not be surprised, actually, if it was your go-to 'news' service.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5182 - 2014-03-27 13:55:42 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
This thread derails more than AMTRAK.
Don't assume I know what AMTRAK is. Check your privilege americentric scum.

Leave the thread. Obviously you can't handle it.
Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#5183 - 2014-03-27 13:56:07 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
More than 150 pages of posts and nothing constructive yet.

I said what I had to say earlier. I had to puke multiple times because of the pretendingly honest posts from Erotica 1.
But I will not join the debates again.

Now, I am waiting for CCP to share with us what they have decided on this matter. I am quite surprised it took them so long, especially as they were aware of this recording for one entire month, as it appears to be.

Having not seen a significant word from them yet, I am inclined to believe they don't care and will endorse what happened eventually. As I will certainly not find my place in a community ready to welcome such behaviors without raising an eyebrow, I have to act by the only mean of action that could potentially be effective, my wallet.

So, I am starting the count down now: 20 hours till I cancel my accounts definitely.

I know, this desperate move is useless, but all that evil needs to prevail is for the good men to do nothing, I am sure you know this quote.
And no, you cannot have my stuff, without any sign of CCP within 20 hours, I will trash and biomass everything in a final demonstration of the lack of value of virtual assets in a game. We shouldn't have had to discuss for more than 150 pages here, as there is no admittable debate to have when the dignity of a human being and the decency of a community are at stake.


4 hours left


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Bye.
Mario Putzo
#5184 - 2014-03-27 13:57:25 UTC
Bye
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5185 - 2014-03-27 13:58:07 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
More than 150 pages of posts and nothing constructive yet.

I said what I had to say earlier. I had to puke multiple times because of the pretendingly honest posts from Erotica 1.
But I will not join the debates again.

Now, I am waiting for CCP to share with us what they have decided on this matter. I am quite surprised it took them so long, especially as they were aware of this recording for one entire month, as it appears to be.

Having not seen a significant word from them yet, I am inclined to believe they don't care and will endorse what happened eventually. As I will certainly not find my place in a community ready to welcome such behaviors without raising an eyebrow, I have to act by the only mean of action that could potentially be effective, my wallet.

So, I am starting the count down now: 20 hours till I cancel my accounts definitely.

I know, this desperate move is useless, but all that evil needs to prevail is for the good men to do nothing, I am sure you know this quote.
And no, you cannot have my stuff, without any sign of CCP within 20 hours, I will trash and biomass everything in a final demonstration of the lack of value of virtual assets in a game. We shouldn't have had to discuss for more than 150 pages here, as there is no admittable debate to have when the dignity of a human being and the decency of a community are at stake.


4 hours left


0

Bye.

lol pics or it didn't happen
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5186 - 2014-03-27 13:58:09 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.


Are you sure he has not broken any rules...

Did you write the rules?

The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times.

As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone.

I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not.

For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress.

That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you.

If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does".

It's not the topic, more the approach.

You are just mad you can't argue against me without insults and strawmanning.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5187 - 2014-03-27 13:58:44 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.


Are you perhaps saying he consented to being called those names, so that makes it all right?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#5188 - 2014-03-27 13:59:15 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Because my point was to demonstrate why ignoring what Sokhar did or brushing it off as 'justified' demonstrates that this is just an irrational Ero1 witch hunt.


To me these are two distinct cases of people no behaving as we would expect mature persons to.

There's no justification for racist or else rants, as well as there is no justification for continuing with the bonus room long after everyone involved should have noted that the person is on his way to snap.

This is not an irrational witch hunt. It's very clear that RL-threats, racism and so on are inacceptable, so I don't see anything to discuss regarding the final words of Sokhar.

It's however not clear where the line is or should be in E1's bonus room. And this is what the community can discuss. CCP will do whatever they feel is right anyway.

Also, the people that see this thread as a harassment of E1... yeah, guess Kimye/Justin/Paris etc. also feel harassed every now and then, but somehow this is also a consequence of their own decisions.

My view and then I'll try not to post in the thread anymore: This should not lead to a ban, but I would like CCP to discretely hand out warnings, that, should in the future emerge a similar discussion there will be consequences.

Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5189 - 2014-03-27 13:59:17 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:


0

Bye.


If you're biomassing then post on your main. You expect people to care about a 2 month old forum alt talking about "biomassing all accounts?"

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5190 - 2014-03-27 13:59:20 UTC
Bye.

The degree of self-importance from that guy is amazing. I hope he really did quit.

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Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5191 - 2014-03-27 13:59:28 UTC
This thread is proof highsec needs to be nerfed.

This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
Catherine Wolfisheim
Perkone
Caldari State
#5192 - 2014-03-27 13:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Catherine Wolfisheim
So much content, so much arguing and raging, when in truth it was just a sensationalized text, written from an incompetent criticizing a buffoon. Those who enjoyed the most out of this are the bystanders such as me, or perhaps the ones who just realized that there's no limit on how low a community can go.

Oh, if you think that I am wrong to call the CSM an "incompetent" and his writing sensationalized, or perhaps you side with that buffoon then I will let you know beforehand; I do not care for opinions, nor I care at all, I have had a few laughs at the incredible amounts of stupidity involved in this situation that gave me enough entertainment to keep playing.
Salvos Rhoska
#5193 - 2014-03-27 14:00:22 UTC
There is no witch-hunt.

This is the community expressing its condemnation of Erotica1's conduct.

Its up to CCP to deliberate on what, if anything, is to be done, but everyone here is perfectly justified to express that they do not condone his conduct.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5194 - 2014-03-27 14:00:24 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


What **** analogy? Clearly you missed the point of the quote so, let me spell it out for you.

Social injustice is EVERYONE'S problem, and witch hunting is a social injustice, with the Socialists, Trade Unions and Jews as the witches. You think only ***** hate on Jews? Have you been to Infowars lately?

I would not be surprised, actually, if it was your go-to 'news' service.


How did you come up with any of that?

Ad hominem at its best.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5195 - 2014-03-27 14:00:50 UTC
embrel wrote:
Scamming is fine, ganking is fine, I like Eve. But I don't see how you can consider it fun to set up such a room.
Nice of you to show the true basis of your post right at the end.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#5196 - 2014-03-27 14:01:08 UTC
All isk, assets, and skillpoints will be freely given up as the bonus round continues. I will read speeches, sing songs, and do other silly things.

EVE is just a game and we should all be able to win and lose stuff without attaching too much seriousness.

Thanks to CCP for an awesome sandbox. When I have a bit more time, I'll write a short 10 or so page response on this matter.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5197 - 2014-03-27 14:01:17 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
This thread is proof highsec needs to be nerfed.


0/10

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5198 - 2014-03-27 14:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Here is your testimony:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.


If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.


Oh you're so CUTE when you're trying to demonise someone that made you feel bad.

No. He was not with an inch of his life. Not figuratively, not literally. The human body is quite soft. One more inch might have bruised him a little at most. As it was, he was unharmed. Like, LITERALLY unharmed. That's the correct use of the word literally, by the way. I learned it on The Oatmeal.

Quote:
Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm.
It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.


Wait, let's reword that a moment, shall we? Just to clarify the point I'm making since you seem to be missing it ON PURPOSE.

Quote:
Sokhar's emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse, to prove the mens rea of intent to threaten and abuse. It was not an accident. He deliberately threatened and abused Erotica 1 with racial and homophobic slurs.


As you so insatiably enjoyed stating earlier on in this thread.

Checkmate.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5199 - 2014-03-27 14:01:27 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.


I know, what's your point?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5200 - 2014-03-27 14:01:29 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.


Losing space pixels to a scam and singing a song makes you a racist bigot. Call the NAACP!

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~