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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5161 - 2014-03-27 13:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


A lie and libel.

I have at no point here claimed to be a lawyer, or edited any comment to that effect.
CCP can confirm this.

You however have demonstably expressed intent to commit a RL crime against me by spitting on me.


Do you even read? I said I WOULDN'T waste my saliva on you because I wouldn't think it worth the dehydration effect.

Like, seriously, I won't even hold this against you and this isn't an insult, but are you maybe dyslexic? Because I don't think anyone is THAT stupid. Dyslexia I could understand and it is in no way a question I ask intending to insult. I'm just hoping for the sake of everything ever that you are dyslexic because the only alternative is stupidest and most ignorant person I've ever met.

And that is a long list of stupid, ignorant people from crowds of antivaxers, quack naturapaths and geocentrists to name a few.

It would also explain why you so easily lose track of your own claims. Actually.... no, no it wouldn't.

That would be dementia.


Do you deny that you have testified here to having driven a two ton truck at a man, therby pinning him against a wall to within an inch of his life, with an initial intent to kill him?


Yes, I deny that. I never said anything about my intent. Are you trying to claim I had an intent? I seem to remember making it plain as day that what I was doing was an emotional reaction. As far as I knew, he'd just caused my mother serious harm. My intent was non-existent: I was reacting without thought, how could I have an intent without thought?

And he wasn't within an inch of his life, he was completely unharmed. Unharmed isn't within an inch of life. Like, not even any bruising. The guy was scared shitless though and we never saw him again.

Do you know what I don't deny? That I acted irrationally and without thought. Do you know why? Because I'm capable of taking responsibility for my choices, even the ones that I leave to emotion. As any sane, not-at-all insecure person is capable of doing.

Why is this relevant? Did you have a point? Were you going to attempt to address my character again based on your terrible reading comprehension skills? Because my point was to demonstrate why ignoring what Sokhar did or brushing it off as 'justified' demonstrates that this is just an irrational Ero1 witch hunt.

So, make your point. And try to make a good one this time lest you never be taken seriously on these forums again.

Not that anyone has so far, of course.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kyperion
#5162 - 2014-03-27 13:45:18 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.

Actually there are plenty of forum scum here defending what Erotica 1 did.....
Prince Kobol
#5163 - 2014-03-27 13:45:24 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.


Are you sure he has not broken any rules...

Did you write the rules?

The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times.

As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone.

I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not.




Kyperion
#5164 - 2014-03-27 13:46:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If anyone wants to know why I have been so fervently opposed to the witch hunt/lynch mob whipped up by the despicable Ripard Teg, this is why. I always took this quote to heart:

Quote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.





Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#5165 - 2014-03-27 13:46:47 UTC
Sentamon wrote:


Carebears have always been the slimiest of the mmo participants, destroying all fun in any mmo they chose to take part in.


HTFU?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5166 - 2014-03-27 13:46:50 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.

Actually there are plenty of forum scum here defending what Erotica 1 did.....


Seriously, dude, you have to CHANGE your underwear occasionally otherwise it is bound to get scrunched up a bit.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5167 - 2014-03-27 13:47:41 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If anyone wants to know why I have been so fervently opposed to the witch hunt/lynch mob whipped up by the despicable Ripard Teg, this is why. I always took this quote to heart:

Quote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.





Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next


Oh hello mister straw man. I liked that movie you were in, very clever movie. You were never too bright though, were you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kyperion
#5168 - 2014-03-27 13:49:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If anyone wants to know why I have been so fervently opposed to the witch hunt/lynch mob whipped up by the despicable Ripard Teg, this is why. I always took this quote to heart:

Quote:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.





Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next


Oh hello mister straw man. I liked that movie you were in, very clever movie. You were never too bright though, were you.

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....

You just went full ******.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#5169 - 2014-03-27 13:49:29 UTC
embrel wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


Carebears have always been the slimiest of the mmo participants, destroying all fun in any mmo they chose to take part in.


HTFU?


Damn carebears, ruining all the fun!


This single post is worth the thread.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5170 - 2014-03-27 13:49:41 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Yeah, hokay.

We'll just petition to let murderers go free now... because 'they' might come for you next
You do realise that even 'known' murderers get due process right? For this exact reason?

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Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment

Salvos Rhoska
#5171 - 2014-03-27 13:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


A lie and libel.

I have at no point here claimed to be a lawyer, or edited any comment to that effect.
CCP can confirm this.

You however have demonstably expressed intent to commit a RL crime against me by spitting on me.


Do you even read? I said I WOULDN'T waste my saliva on you because I wouldn't think it worth the dehydration effect.

Like, seriously, I won't even hold this against you and this isn't an insult, but are you maybe dyslexic? Because I don't think anyone is THAT stupid. Dyslexia I could understand and it is in no way a question I ask intending to insult. I'm just hoping for the sake of everything ever that you are dyslexic because the only alternative is stupidest and most ignorant person I've ever met.

And that is a long list of stupid, ignorant people from crowds of antivaxers, quack naturapaths and geocentrists to name a few.

It would also explain why you so easily lose track of your own claims. Actually.... no, no it wouldn't.

That would be dementia.


Do you deny that you have testified here to having driven a two ton truck at a man, therby pinning him against a wall to within an inch of his life, with an initial intent to kill him?


Yes, I deny that. I never said anything about my intent. Are you trying to claim I had an intent? I seem to remember making it plain as day that what I was doing was an emotional reaction. As far as I knew, he'd just caused my mother serious harm.

And he wasn't within an inch of his life, he was completely unharmed. Unharmed isn't within an inch of life. Like, not even any bruising. The guy was scared shitless though and we never saw him again.

Do you know what I don't deny? That I acted irrationally and without thought. Do you know why? Because I'm capable of taking responsibility for my choices, even the ones that I leave to emotion. As any sane, not-at-all insecure person is capable of doing.

Why is this relevant? Did you have a point? Were you going to attempt to address my character again based on your terrible reading comprehension skills? Because my point was to demonstrate why ignoring what Sokhar did or brushing it off as 'justified' demonstrates that this is just an irrational Ero1 witch hunt.

So, make your point. And try to make a good one this time lest you never be taken seriously on these forums again.

Not that anyone has so far, of course.


Here is your testimony:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.


If he was pinned, that literally means he was unable to move, meaning the inch is validated.

He was literally, and figuratively, within an inch of losing his life due to your actions.

If you had driven the truck one inch closer, it would have killed him or harmed him.

Your emotional state is sufficient, and certainly not an excuse of, to prove the mens rea of intent to harm.
It was not an accident. You deliberately drove a two-ton truck directly at him.

That you did not kill or harm him, does not change that you initially had the intent to kill or harm him, whether emotional or not.
You had that intent until you "realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door."
That is why you drove a two-ton truck at him in the first place.

Emotional state does not change whether a crime has been committed or not, it is only a possible mitigating circumstance or, depending on the crime in question, an element necessary to the proof of burden for the prosecution to prove intent.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#5172 - 2014-03-27 13:50:31 UTC
This thread derails more than AMTRAK.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5173 - 2014-03-27 13:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
lollerwaffle wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Hey hey hey, I have a carrot for you BUT you have to follow me to a place where CCP can't ban me because I know I will **** you up good else why would I leave logged comms?

Now I will hear TS Bette yadda yadda yadda.

This is how people get scammed because even this simple TS excuse sounds so good that you put no doubt about its actual meaning.

So go repost like a turd. It's all you can do bot. Click, post, copy,, paste click post (so opinionated and clever!)


See, thick as rock.

The scamming happened ingame. CCP encourages people to do it. So stick your head up your ass and keep telling yourself how great you are. Bigot.

D.

Bear


Yeah, and who's talking here about scamming in the first place??
If you would bother to read what people are writing (especially since you are calling me out then my posts would be the base here) then you would know that I am in favor of scamming as I even do it myself from time to time.

So next time at least make sense if you are too lazy to know who you are replying to blunt RAZOR.

The key word here is 'ingame'.

You're welcome.


Yeah and that's where it all starts and no other way around it. Platform of choice.

But then again. you know better so enjoy your lollerwaffles.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5174 - 2014-03-27 13:51:58 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5175 - 2014-03-27 13:52:55 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
This thread derails more than AMTRAK.
Don't assume I know what AMTRAK is. Check your privilege americentric scum.

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Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment

lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5176 - 2014-03-27 13:52:58 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


It is such a sad and pathetic thing to do , and I'm shocked so many people are defending it.

The point, you missed it.

Because I'm not you, here's why you're missing the point:

No one is defending what Erotica 1 did. What they are saying, is that Erotica 1 has not broken any rules. Therefore, calling for him to be permanently banned from the game based on his actions, which while beyond bad taste did not break any rules, is akin to requesting people to be banned because they did something that some other people don't like, regardless of whether any rules are broken or not.

I await your snarky one liner which I'm sure will deliver your points in a clear and coherent manner.


Are you sure he has not broken any rules...

Did you write the rules?

The section where it suggests he could of broken the rules has been posted a number of times.

As with most EULA/TOS, it is vague whether it could be applied to E1, the decision on whether it can be applied is not down to you, me or anybody else here but by CCP and CCP alone.

I imagine right now that is what CCP are doing, deciding whether they should apply those rules to E1 or not.

For a second I thought you were LordofDespair and was about to congratulate you on being able to post something beyond a snarky one-liner which doesn't address or counter-argue any points. But I digress.

That's the thing though. You claim that the rules are 'unclear' etc. However, your opening, and subsequent posts, have also stated the desire for Erotica 1 to be perma-banned because his behaviour was distasteful to you.

If the call was for him to be banned because he might 'possibly' have broken the rules, then I would agree with you to an extent. However, using the nature of the activities someone performs as grounds to ban someone comes very close to "CCP should ban that person because I don't like him/don't like what he does".

It's not the topic, more the approach.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5177 - 2014-03-27 13:53:11 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear


After that post, I would like to point out that I sell the cheapest BURN! cream in all of New Eden.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5178 - 2014-03-27 13:53:57 UTC
embrel wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


Carebears have always been the slimiest of the mmo participants, destroying all fun in any mmo they chose to take part in.


HTFU?


Hard to HTFU when carebear games give you no reason to HTFU.

We're all friends, lets hold hands and throw pixels at the NPCs. Yawn

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5179 - 2014-03-27 13:54:28 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Hey hey hey, I have a carrot for you BUT you have to follow me to a place where CCP can't ban me because I know I will **** you up good else why would I leave logged comms?

Now I will hear TS Bette yadda yadda yadda.

This is how people get scammed because even this simple TS excuse sounds so good that you put no doubt about its actual meaning.

So go repost like a turd. It's all you can do bot. Click, post, copy,, paste click post (so opinionated and clever!)


See, thick as rock.

The scamming happened ingame. CCP encourages people to do it. So stick your head up your ass and keep telling yourself how great you are. Bigot.

D.

Bear


Yeah, and who's talking here about scamming in the first place??
If you would bother to read what people are writing (especially since you are calling me out then my posts would be the base here) then you would know that I am in favor of scamming as I even do it myself from time to time.

So next time at least make sense if you are too lazy to know who you are replying to blunt RAZOR.

The key word here is 'ingame'.

You're welcome.


Yeah and that's where it all starts and no other way around it. Platform of choice.

But then again. you know better so enjoy your lollerwaffles.

whooooosh yet again.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5180 - 2014-03-27 13:54:37 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

Says the guy with the friend throwing out N.a.z.i analogies....
You just went full ******.


No, that's you, you are defending shokar the racist bigot just because you dislike erotica1.

D;

Bear

E1 causes and wants those situations. He isn't a victim.