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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5041 - 2014-03-27 12:47:56 UTC
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "
So you are literally saying "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

You realise that ends with everyone banned right?

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LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5042 - 2014-03-27 12:48:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5043 - 2014-03-27 12:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Jenn aSide wrote:
Danalee wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
You would thing that with so many 'winners' in the bonus round, Erotica will post the recordings as well.
After all, its only his interest for people to see he is 'legit'.

links anyone?

Would you believe the bonus room is legit if he did?
Or are you just looking for cheap laughs when stupid, greedy people sing songs to get space rich? Lol

Anyhow, it doesn't matter one bit.

Read this, same stuff happening, did RVB get tortured or something there? Call the police if so!

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.


Exactly so. But the kids who got bullied at school (and now as grown game player think 'there outta be a law') don't see any of this.

No, they just see a 'creepy/sadistic' dude who reminds them of their pasts and desire vicarious revenge. Striking a blow against E1 is striking a blow against bullies everywhere, especially their own bullies that they were to afraid to confront when they were in 4th grade lol.


I know right?! But you better watch it, before you know it they'll be asking ccp to ban you for being normal and not pampering their little fantasy.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5044 - 2014-03-27 12:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: LordOfDespair
Crumplecorn wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "
So you are literally saying "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

You realise that ends with everyone banned right?


You are litterally strawmanning the **** out of his statement.

Fallacy central right here.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5045 - 2014-03-27 12:49:57 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
---]

You pinned a guy against a wall with a two-ton truck to within an inch of his life, as a result of what he said on the internet.

What is the point of him posting if you fail to read and understand?


The point of me posting is to draw out the people who comment without trying to read or understand. It helps to weed out the actual idiots from the people paying attention. It will make CCP's job easier if they use this thread as any factor in their decision, if any, regarding Ero and Sokhar.

Because they can just ignore the opinions of obvious idiots.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5046 - 2014-03-27 12:50:30 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?
You just managed to miss the sole purpose of all explicitly stated rules everywhere in all of the past, present and future.

Kudos.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5047 - 2014-03-27 12:50:58 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?


This is a game at advertises than you will be scammed, robbed, stabbed in the back and killed again.

CCP are not going to ban people because your feelings got hurt.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5048 - 2014-03-27 12:51:14 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
This is emotional rapists trying to justify what they do by staging a show that, no, victims are not really hurt at all.

E1 thinks its OK to inflict emotional damage on handicapped people. "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

Neo-**** guys down the road in a seedy bar think its OK to **** a girl too "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"


Hurt feelings are not real harm, and are not analogous to real harm.


You are full of little ignorant gems.

Emotional hurt can and many times is a bigger threat than physical pain

Ask any one who has been through Military training (I have), and especially any Special Operators, and they will tell you to a man... the hardest part of the training is the mental/emotional aspect.

I've seen the toughest men in the ******* world, who could kill without hesitation absolutely melt because of a 'Dear John' letter.

There is a suicide epidemic in the Military, and a large part of it is stupid brain dead macho man philosphy of the type you espouse. Go to your buddy's funeral after he commits suicide at the age of 23 while being in perfect physical health because he couldn't work through the emotional pain he was going through, and then come talk to me about how 'its only the internet' or 'its only emotional pain'

**** you.


Tell me how more soldiers died from suicide than battle throughout history.

Tell me how that matters you stupid ****.

Fact is a significant number of military personnel commit suicide, as well as police, Fire, and Emergency Responders... and it sure as hell ain't because they are in physical pain.


I question "significant". Got some hard numbers? Sources?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5049 - 2014-03-27 12:51:29 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?


That is literally how a game works.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5050 - 2014-03-27 12:52:11 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?
You just managed to miss the sole purpose of all explicitly stated rules everywhere in all of the past, present and future.

Kudos.


Oh sod off.

Have you seen the EvE Eula? It is so vague you can find a way to do practically ANYTHING and say it isn't against the rules.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#5051 - 2014-03-27 12:52:12 UTC
My opinion on the matter:

I don't ******* care about this and i'm tired of seeing this crap on the first page. Also the racism card is hilarious.

Only kunts in this game.
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5052 - 2014-03-27 12:53:15 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
My opinion on the matter:

I don't ******* care about this and i'm tired of seeing this crap on the first page. Also the racism card is hilarious.

Only kunts in this game.


mad nerds whove being bullied their whole lifes. and now do it theirselves ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5053 - 2014-03-27 12:53:54 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?
You just managed to miss the sole purpose of all explicitly stated rules everywhere in all of the past, present and future.

Kudos.


Oh sod off.

Have you seen the EvE Eula? It is so vague you can find a way to do practically ANYTHING and say it isn't against the rules.


Yeah, that's the point. It's why people can have games where they hide cans around the region and sell bookmarks to treasure hunts. The rules don't say you can do that, some guy thought it up a long freaking time ago.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5054 - 2014-03-27 12:53:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?


That is literally how a game works.


I'm pretty sure this game is suppose to work as a game.

Not as a platform for sad bullies to find targets, pull them out of said game and harrass them.
Salvos Rhoska
#5055 - 2014-03-27 12:54:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?


This is a game at advertises than you will be scammed, robbed, stabbed in the back and killed again.

CCP are not going to ban people because your feelings got hurt.


Then lets play the recording over speakers at the next Fanfest at the unveiling of the Monument, as a shining testament to that.

It is, afterall, what is advertised, as you say.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5056 - 2014-03-27 12:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
LordOfDespair wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "
So you are literally saying "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

You realise that ends with everyone banned right?


You are litterally strawmanning the **** out of his statement.

Fallacy central here.

"I would like to think that when a person I don't like boasts publicly about being a person I don't like, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "I don't like this, this will not be accepted by me and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "

'We' turns into 'I' since he can only speak for himself. Judgements about E1's status as the 'scum of the planet' are personal opinion and thus can be generalised as above. The result it literally "CCP should ban anyone I don't like".

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5057 - 2014-03-27 12:54:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
lollerwaffle wrote:


Wow, you really, really don't understand what I've been posting despite my repeated emphasis. You must be as thick as that alt of Sokhar who needs things spelt out in black and white. Ok, final attempt:

A. Your feelings about the moral character of another player should not be justification that the person should be perma-banned by CCP.

B. If you think that personal feelings are sufficient grounds for CCP to ban another player, that implies that you are OK with CCP banning YOU if another player deems you to be offensive etc.

C. In this case, if I felt you were offensive, should CCP ban you too?

If you're still confused at this point, please read (A) above again to understand the point I'm trying to make. If you understand my premise now, well done, it only took 3 pages and 10 posts but we got there in the end.

Ok, to address your post itself: Humiliation of a player that can opt out at any time is more serious than issuing a RL death threat over a video game, because it is 'justified'? Does that mean that if I find your posting style offensive and it is driving me into a rage, I would be fully justified in issuing RL death threats to you?

(Sorry, I posted the above on the assumption you will get what I am inferring. To make it easy to understand what I'm talking about, I am responding specifically to your stated "One gets perma ban for doing this deliberately other gets a warning or a shortie for going bonanza (although he can be justified because he was simply pushed to the limit)")


A. if he goes telling how it's set up to bypass in game laws (he's luring people out of logged comms) to avoid ban then yeah he should get kicked because he knows his actions are wrong from the start and the only purpose here is to inflict some sort of harassment for personal amusement.

B. If I do it in a manner that deliberately tries to avoid in game laws and use this platform as a ignition of this whole process then yeah. No different that a botter.

C. I'm within CCP rules so your attempt is nothing but personal and has no ground for them to even look at it.

I'm not thick it's just you have no idea what are you talking about because E1 actions all base from within this game and it is his platform to lure targets out to avoid banhammer.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5058 - 2014-03-27 12:54:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?


That is literally how a game works.

To him, game = real life and should be treated the same way.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5059 - 2014-03-27 12:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
LordOfDespair wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?
You just managed to miss the sole purpose of all explicitly stated rules everywhere in all of the past, present and future.

Kudos.


Oh sod off.

Have you seen the EvE Eula? It is so vague you can find a way to do practically ANYTHING and say it isn't against the rules.


No, it's not that vague. It's quite specific, actually.

Tell me, you go from telling us that the rules should take second seat to our better judgement to implying that the rules need to be more specific.

How did you even learn to work your keyboard?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5060 - 2014-03-27 12:55:25 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"


"Unless something is against the rules its okay" is such a shallow and dimwitted way of thinking about things.

Do you seriously need somebody to tell you what is okay and what isn't?

It's not a matter of whether Erotica 1's actions are right or wrong. It's a matter of how "ban people I don't like" can be turned against anyone, including you. Unless someone can present an argument that defines a legitimate reason to ban Erotica 1 that doesn't also adversely affect other players, nothing can be done about it.

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