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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5021 - 2014-03-27 12:38:32 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What about insulting the victim's speech impediment?
Didn't happen.

Did.

Prove it sokhar.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5022 - 2014-03-27 12:38:39 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Intentional and deliberate humiliation with imaginary carrot at the end of the stick is harassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment
And yet, it has been done to devs.


Hey I read somebody went on and killed 20 kids in some school.

I mean it's been done already. What are you waiting for?
Are you trolling or actually this stupid? Genuine question.


Hes making a point, you are too stupid to understand that and probably take his post litterally.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5023 - 2014-03-27 12:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Prince Kobol wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:

I'm sure everyone has heard the words "You can't fire me, I quit", or how about "We respectfully are asking for your resignation", and of course the "leaving by mutual consent".

Seriously dude, in the scheme of the discussion, this is a fairly pointless tangent. To the best on my honest knowledge, it was a bit of both. From what I saw on the forums a kick was incoming, and Ero sent a corp mail while he was still in WI saying he was leaving and giving his reasons. Whether he left of his own accord, was "encouraged" to leave, or the trigger was pulled before he could walk away, it means very little either way.



Again not really, your inability to say whether he was actually kicked like Mynnna has stated or left of his own accord like E1 is saying is telling.

IF E1 is lying then why trust anything he has to say.


I have no roles, authority, or any desire for such, so I can't tell if he was kicked or whether he walked. As I said, he sent a corp mail while still in the corp, stating an intent to leave, so even if he was kicked before he could leave (I don't know if corp roles might require this to occur - can you be kicked with roles, because you cant leave with them until the 24 hours expire, so if he had roles, he would have to have been kicked if he wanted out immediately - but I am completely ignorant on these mechanics), he clearly intended to leave, so other than for pedanticness (thats definitely not a real word...) sake, it makes no odds.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#5024 - 2014-03-27 12:39:25 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Some of you should realize how close you are to a forum ban and stop name calling (retards, moralfags, etc.) Aside from being childish it diminishes the impact of your opinion.


Don't impersonate forum moderators.


I wasn't in any way, I was just giving them a heads up to prevent a mod getting involved. Wow you people want to argue everything to death.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5025 - 2014-03-27 12:40:56 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people

Many you should stop reading the words of an agitator ffs.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to allow a stranger on the internet to have that kind of control over you.


Oh yeah. I forgot. This world is so perfect and people are so nice to each other that we all stay of trouble and nobody gets hurt by other peoples bad intentions.

Wtf are you on idiot? Turn on tv and see what's up. This ain't utopia and people hurt other people in many ways.

Question is what will you turd do about it.
We all know what will happen when **** hits the fan for you but showing some empathy seems to be like a holy motherfucking grail of today's society.

So whose side are you on? Or are you just here to hurl random insults?

By the way you grow out of the swearing every sentence phase when you hit adulthood.


There is no side.
One gets perma ban for doing this deliberately other gets a warning or a shortie for going bonanza (although he can be justified because he was simply pushed to the limit)

Is swearing not allowed or it's another thing you believe should get me banned?

Wow, you really, really don't understand what I've been posting despite my repeated emphasis. You must be as thick as that alt of Sokhar who needs things spelt out in black and white. Ok, final attempt:

A. Your feelings about the moral character of another player should not be justification that the person should be perma-banned by CCP.

B. If you think that personal feelings are sufficient grounds for CCP to ban another player, that implies that you are OK with CCP banning YOU if another player deems you to be offensive etc.

C. In this case, if I felt you were offensive, should CCP ban you too?

If you're still confused at this point, please read (A) above again to understand the point I'm trying to make. If you understand my premise now, well done, it only took 3 pages and 10 posts but we got there in the end.

Ok, to address your post itself: Humiliation of a player that can opt out at any time is more serious than issuing a RL death threat over a video game, because it is 'justified'? Does that mean that if I find your posting style offensive and it is driving me into a rage, I would be fully justified in issuing RL death threats to you?

(Sorry, I posted the above on the assumption you will get what I am inferring. To make it easy to understand what I'm talking about, I am responding specifically to your stated "One gets perma ban for doing this deliberately other gets a warning or a shortie for going bonanza (although he can be justified because he was simply pushed to the limit)")
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5026 - 2014-03-27 12:40:57 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Some of you should realize how close you are to a forum ban and stop name calling (retards, moralfags, etc.) Aside from being childish it diminishes the impact of your opinion.


Don't impersonate forum moderators.


I wasn't in any way, I was just giving them a heads up to prevent a mod getting involved. Wow you people want to argue everything to death.

RABLE RABLE RABLE!!!!!!
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5027 - 2014-03-27 12:41:25 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What about insulting the victim's speech impediment?
Didn't happen.

Did.

Prove it sokhar.

D.

Bear



*fetches aluminium hat*
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#5028 - 2014-03-27 12:41:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.


In the 200 and whatever pages of this thread nobody can name what EULA and TOS rules E1 has broken. Everything that E1 did in that recording are things that have taken place for the last decade.

Not entirely correct.
For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398173#post4398173
(There were others, too. It just was easier to find my own post.)


E1 did not harrass, insult or use racial and threatening language. The contestant, however, did.

E1 did not gain any out of game service for isk either. We have ransomed songs out of Devs before, its perfectly fine.

I did not claim that Ero used insults and/or racial and threatening language.
However I did point to the fact that you can subsume the behaviour in question under the terms "abuse" and "harassment" if you choose to interpret those terms accordingly.

And neither did I say anything about Ero gaining any out of game service for isk or anything about ransoming songs out of someone. Neither is neccessary to violate the TOS rule no. 10.
Salvos Rhoska
#5029 - 2014-03-27 12:43:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What about insulting the victim's speech impediment?
Didn't happen.

Did.


It was more of an off the cuff remark. They did not bang on about it.

Lol.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5030 - 2014-03-27 12:43:55 UTC
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5031 - 2014-03-27 12:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Crumplecorn wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Intentional and deliberate humiliation with imaginary carrot at the end of the stick is harassment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment
And yet, it has been done to devs.


Hey I read somebody went on and killed 20 kids in some school.

I mean it's been done already. What are you waiting for?
Are you trolling or actually this stupid? Genuine question.


Apparently is all matter of personal morals.
So why would I be joking readin some of you people posts.

So tell me why are you stupid not to see this because levels of demoralization mean nothing in grand scheme of things.
You can be less bad but you're still bad. All about moral value.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5032 - 2014-03-27 12:44:58 UTC
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


Who are you talking about? Riptar or sokhar? Or both mayhaps?

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5033 - 2014-03-27 12:45:16 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
A few weeks ago, I got doxed by players in this game. They sent a mail to my personal email, mentioned two of my family members by name, and passively threatened me to leave them alone with a smiley face at the end of it.

I petitioned it, but was told that external evidence cannot be used and is even harder to link to in-game entities. I was told not to discuss it with anyone, and I shouldn't, but now it's important that I talk about it.

If I'd forwarded that email to a game site, or Jester, or someone, on the substantiated belief that the person who doxed me was a dangerous individual and a threat to the community, would that random unknown player, someone not known in the community at all, be under the same scrutiny that Ero is now? No.

The whole lot of you high sec dwellers would all be telling me, 'haha, serves you right, you shouldn't mess with people who don't want to pvp." I've shared the information and in-game identity of the player in question with people I trust, so that they know to watch their backs. I've been forced to close Facebook, email and YouTube accounts and various other accounts around the internet that I'm associated with. But if I'd shared the evidence with Riptard, what would he make of it? Do you think he'd post it in one of his articles about how EVE is dying because of the meanie scammers and gankers? If you're saying yes, then you're wrong: the player in question is an afk miner with five accounts and hubris up to his earballs. Riptard wouldn't do anything to endanger his own people now, would he.

I'll tell you something that no one in the New Order, Goons, or any of these groups that you all so hate with so much passion would never do. They'd never dox you. They'd never threaten your real life entity, and they'd never use your family as leverage.

Want to hear the scariest part? This person actually contacted my mother on Facebook to tell her she was an awful person for raising such an arse of a son. You know what she did?

She called me, apologised for being a horrible mother and cried for three hours before I calmed her down and reminded her that I'm an adult and it's just a game they're talking about. By the end of the conversation, she actually understood what EVE is about, she understood the nature of the game. She's 55 years old and gets this game better than half you 15-20 somethings curled up in your little safety bubbles in highsec do.

Do you know what I did to the last person who made my mother cry? I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.

My point is, the vile person who doxed me and did that to my mother, he's still playing this game. He's out there right now, thinking that what he did has no consequences. He's gonna do it again. Does anyone care? Probably not, no, not until it happens to you anyway.

You think Ero did something wrong here? I submit to you that the most evil people in the game are the carebears who would like nothing more than to foist him on a stake. You need to learn to get some perspective, reconnect to ******* reality and stop being so goddamn entitled.


And you think you're normal and healthy, I suppose.


No, I don't. Anyone that thinks themselves 'normal and healthy' is delusional, however. We've all got our demons.

But on that line of thinking, I told that story because I knew someone would bring that up as if it was a bad thing, and it's relevant.

Were Sokhar's abusive, homophonic, threatening, and racist remarks 'normal and healthy' in your opinion?

If I'd harmed this man, it would have been a crime. I would have been responsible for his harm, regardless of how emotional I was. The same applies to Sokhar. He is responsible for his own choices. But all of you are so quick to condemn Ero, but just blatantly dismiss Sokhar's reaction as justified because 'Ero made him emotional'. What the **** ever, guys. Have your little delusions but please, for the sake of humanity, don't breed them into children.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5034 - 2014-03-27 12:45:26 UTC
Danalee wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
You would thing that with so many 'winners' in the bonus round, Erotica will post the recordings as well.
After all, its only his interest for people to see he is 'legit'.

links anyone?

Would you believe the bonus room is legit if he did?
Or are you just looking for cheap laughs when stupid, greedy people sing songs to get space rich? Lol

Anyhow, it doesn't matter one bit.

Read this, same stuff happening, did RVB get tortured or something there? Call the police if so!

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear


Exactly so. But the kids who got bullied at school (and now as grown game player think 'there outta be a law') don't see any of this.

No, they just see a 'creepy/sadistic' dude who reminds them of their pasts and desire vicarious revenge. Striking a blow against E1 is striking a blow against bullies everywhere, especially their own bullies that they were to afraid to confront when they were in 4th grade lol.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5035 - 2014-03-27 12:45:48 UTC
It always amazes me to see "sensitive" people coming out of the woodwork when you get a post like this. Come on guys this is a game that encourages stealing and destroying other players stuff. It even rewards people that kill other players. All of this costs a lot of in game currency to recover. Welcome to Eve!

If the attack was in game such as kept to the topic of in game items I don't see the problem. Should I file a complaint against the player that tricked me to warp to him then killed me? I was two months old and didn't know better. Or how about the jerks that blew up my faction/ deadspace fitted Nightmare?? My feelings were definitely hurt!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5036 - 2014-03-27 12:45:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




The thread has been functionally over for a while, but this was the death knell.

So very, very much this. +1 baltec, and to all of Ripard's meat puppets, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I know you're not, because sheep don't have introspective thought.

By the way, the next guy I catch in our wormhole is going to be singing Gilbert and Sullivan. Because I have class.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5037 - 2014-03-27 12:46:00 UTC
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


^ No scum behavior wanted.

Could seriously care less about the legal systems you guys keep bringing up.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5038 - 2014-03-27 12:46:09 UTC
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


"CCP, you should ban this person because I do not like them despite the fact that they have done nothing against the rules"
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#5039 - 2014-03-27 12:46:11 UTC
Moloney wrote:
I would like to point out that it does not matter whether E1 broke the EULA or not.

The point being made by people in this thread is that we do not want to be associated with such a morally wrong and disgraceful example of a human being.

We would like to play Eve.

We would like to think that when such a disgraceful representative of our game boasts publicly about being the scum of the planet, that appropriate repercussions are handed out to state "this is not right, this will not be accepted by anyone and under no circumstances should anyone believe it a good idea to replicate this persons actions "


this. my sir. this is what i wnat to hear.


theres hope.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5040 - 2014-03-27 12:46:30 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
---]

You pinned a guy against a wall with a two-ton truck to within an inch of his life, as a result of what he said on the internet.

What is the point of him posting if you fail to read and understand?