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Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#4961 - 2014-03-27 12:16:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people

Many you should stop reading the words of an agitator ffs.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to allow a stranger on the internet to have that kind of control over you.


You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4962 - 2014-03-27 12:17:32 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.


In the 200 and whatever pages of this thread nobody can name what EULA and TOS rules E1 has broken. Everything that E1 did in that recording are things that have taken place for the last decade.



I agree cyberbullying has long been a problem and I guess we are tired of being silent about it.

This was not cyber bullying.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4963 - 2014-03-27 12:17:48 UTC
danalee please use a forum alt to post with you are making me ashamed to be in razor

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...

Salvos Rhoska
#4964 - 2014-03-27 12:18:05 UTC
CCP can and should, imo, ask Erotica1 the following:

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#4965 - 2014-03-27 12:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
Druthlen wrote:
You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.
If someone making a fool of himself on the Internet is enough to make you nauseous, I'd love to see how you react to one person actually harming another.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?
That'd be a bit odd, since the first three don't occur in the bonus room (abuse from the client notwithstanding).

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#4966 - 2014-03-27 12:18:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.


In the 200 and whatever pages of this thread nobody can name what EULA and TOS rules E1 has broken. Everything that E1 did in that recording are things that have taken place for the last decade.

Not entirely correct.
For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398173#post4398173
(There were others, too. It just was easier to find my own post.)
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4967 - 2014-03-27 12:19:00 UTC
Druthlen wrote:

You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.


If grown man being asked to sing songs make you nauseous, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer ever.
Also, you don't read this ever, it's disgusting and will make you puke or something.

Weirdo.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4968 - 2014-03-27 12:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?


We both said he was kicked for bragging.


No, you said he was kicked for bragging but didn't state bragging about what.

Mynnna said he was kick for bragging about his actions in in Jesters Blog

E1 has stated he was not kick and was asked to stay by a number of Directors.

So are you saying E1 is lying?


I'm sure everyone has heard the words "You can't fire me, I quit", or how about "We respectfully are asking for your resignation", and of course the "leaving by mutual consent".

Seriously dude, in the scheme of the discussion, this is a fairly pointless tangent. To the best on my honest knowledge, it was a bit of both. From what I saw on the forums a kick was incoming, and Ero sent a corp mail while he was still in WI saying he was leaving and giving his reasons. Whether he left of his own accord, was "encouraged" to leave, or the trigger was pulled before he could walk away, it means very little either way.

And bear in mind, this all happened last November (I just went and scrolled through my corp mails to see), so memories are going to be fuzzy for anyone who didn't have a direct stake in what happened, so I think calling lying on it is a touch hyperbolic (is that a real word :shrug:)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4969 - 2014-03-27 12:19:31 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people

Many you should stop reading the words of an agitator ffs.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to allow a stranger on the internet to have that kind of control over you.


You dont know what is going on in that persons life to make him vulnerable but someday it will happen to you or someone you love. Either way it doesnt change that it is sick to take advantage of the weaker among us and to delight in torturing the weaker of us. Just makes me nauseous.


I have had the exact same reaction from people who I have ganked in game. I have also had much worse reactions that has lasted for over a week.

I guess me pvping their ship is also sick and twisted.
Big Lynx
#4970 - 2014-03-27 12:19:40 UTC
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4971 - 2014-03-27 12:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people

Many you should stop reading the words of an agitator ffs.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to allow a stranger on the internet to have that kind of control over you.


Oh yeah. I forgot. This world is so perfect and people are so nice to each other that we all stay of trouble and nobody gets hurt by other peoples bad intentions.

Wtf are you on idiot? Turn on tv and see what's up. This ain't utopia and people hurt other people in many ways.

Question is what will you turd do about it.
We all know what will happen when **** hits the fan for you but showing some empathy seems to be like a holy motherfucking grail of today's society.
Prince Kobol
#4972 - 2014-03-27 12:20:56 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?


We both said he was kicked for bragging.


No, you said he was kicked for bragging but didn't state bragging about what.

Mynnna said he was kick for bragging about his actions in in Jesters Blog

E1 has stated he was not kick and was asked to stay by a number of Directors.

So are you saying E1 is lying?

Good job derailing your own topic


Not at all, IF E1 is lying about being kicked then why believe anything else he is saying?

I say if because it is not fair just to presume he is lying.

However why would 2 prominent Goons, both Baltec 1 and Mynnna say he was kicked and why kick him for something which Baltec advocates is fine.

I mean you may ban somebody for a small out of time or simply troll him for bad posting but to kick him for just bad posting, bit harsh wouldn't you say?
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4973 - 2014-03-27 12:21:12 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
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Or the 'victim' can turn off the game client, voice comm software, PC as he is unable to distinguish between real life and a video game? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying what Erotica 1 did was right, I'm saying that the victim in this case doesn't have to be a victim. And getting back on topic, what people THINK or FEEL about E1's actions should not be sufficient grounds for him to be banned.

Otherwise, I take offense at your stereotypes about Australians and the language (implied or not) you use and think you should be banned.



Oh here we go. Offended by stereotypes yet it's ok to humiliate people and going public with it.

Needed only 2 posts to get it out of your hypocrite narrow minded skull.

Thx for tuning in and literally destroying yourself and proving how right I am.

Guess you don't understand sarcasm. My bad shoulda put a /sarcasm at the end of my post.

Reading the other bit of my post helps too.


Damage control attempt failed.
Move on, keep proving us how special you are adding nothing of merit to this discussion.


Nope. Still haven't read and understood what I posted I see. Try again. I'll bold it this time as well.
Quoted for your easy reference:
Quote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying what Erotica 1 did was right, I'm saying that the victim in this case doesn't have to be a victim. And getting back on topic, what people THINK or FEEL about E1's actions should not be sufficient grounds for him to be banned.

Otherwise, I take offense at your stereotypes about Australians and the language (implied or not) you use and think you should be banned.

Try again. Maybe don't resort to insults right off the bat? It's OK if you prefer it that way though. I don't but you're entitled to being a prick and I will defend your right to be a prick to the death.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4974 - 2014-03-27 12:22:06 UTC
News Flash:

MMO carebears have deemed that all Kareoke Bars are bullying and humiliation.

Call the Poh-Leece and shut them down.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4975 - 2014-03-27 12:22:23 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.


In the 200 and whatever pages of this thread nobody can name what EULA and TOS rules E1 has broken. Everything that E1 did in that recording are things that have taken place for the last decade.

Not entirely correct.
For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398173#post4398173
(There were others, too. It just was easier to find my own post.)


E1 did not harrass, insult or use racial and threatening language. The contestant, however, did.

E1 did not gain any out of game service for isk either. We have ransomed songs out of Devs before, its perfectly fine.

Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#4976 - 2014-03-27 12:22:56 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:


no ****.


Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#4977 - 2014-03-27 12:23:29 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Jagoff Haverford wrote:
Here's a simple scenario that I've seen happen. Your corp CEO goes AFK for a bit of time, nobody knows where he is, but the corp wallet keeps growing due to ratting taxes and the like. Some of the things that are usually done with this money -- POS fuel, ore buyback, SRP, whatever -- grind to a halt. People start bitching about it on TS, but nobody can really be bothered to form a new corp.

Then one day the CEO logs in, empties the corp wallet, kicks everyone, and closes the corp. People feel a bit cheated, but they haven't lost much other than was stored in POS arrays and the like. But then somebody starts to think about all that money sitting in the wallet.

So a couple guys get together on another TS server and make a recording. One pretends to be the former CEO, and demands that the other player read from websites and sing songs in order to "get the corp wallet back". They go on for an hour or two, and then the other person pretends to lose it, threatens suicide, uses foul language, gets his wife to plead with the "CEO" for the money.

None of it is real, but they submit the recording to CCP anyway and ask that the former CEO be banned and that ISK be returned to them.

CCP has no ability to tell which recordings are real and which ones are fake. They can't tell one player's voice from any other's. If all it takes is one purported recording of "unacceptable torture" to get someone banned, revenge recordings will be a dime a dozen before the end of April, all with the aim of getting someone banned.

Have my space babies. NAW!

D.

Bear


That was pretty good, except, ccp, e-mail, mystery solved.. and probably retaliation from ccp..
Prince Kobol
#4978 - 2014-03-27 12:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?


We both said he was kicked for bragging.


No, you said he was kicked for bragging but didn't state bragging about what.

Mynnna said he was kick for bragging about his actions in in Jesters Blog

E1 has stated he was not kick and was asked to stay by a number of Directors.

So are you saying E1 is lying?


I'm sure everyone has heard the words "You can't fire me, I quit", or how about "We respectfully are asking for your resignation", and of course the "leaving by mutual consent".

Seriously dude, in the scheme of the discussion, this is a fairly pointless tangent. To the best on my honest knowledge, it was a bit of both. From what I saw on the forums a kick was incoming, and Ero sent a corp mail while he was still in WI saying he was leaving and giving his reasons. Whether he left of his own accord, was "encouraged" to leave, or the trigger was pulled before he could walk away, it means very little either way.



Again not really, your inability to say whether he was actually kicked like Mynnna has stated or left of his own accord like E1 is saying is telling.

IF E1 is lying then why trust anything he has to say. For those supporting him maybe its important to prove that he is not the psychopath others are making him out to be.

For example Even even Widot posters who, well lets just say are not exactly know for their posting prowess and sensibilities had thought he crossed a line and wanted him gone.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4979 - 2014-03-27 12:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
A few weeks ago, I got doxed by players in this game. They sent a mail to my personal email, mentioned two of my family members by name, and passively threatened me to leave them alone with a smiley face at the end of it.

I petitioned it, but was told that external evidence cannot be used and is even harder to link to in-game entities. I was told not to discuss it with anyone, and I shouldn't, but now it's important that I talk about it.

If I'd forwarded that email to a game site, or Jester, or someone, on the substantiated belief that the person who doxed me was a dangerous individual and a threat to the community, would that random unknown player, someone not known in the community at all, be under the same scrutiny that Ero is now? No.

The whole lot of you high sec dwellers would all be telling me, 'haha, serves you right, you shouldn't mess with people who don't want to pvp." I've shared the information and in-game identity of the player in question with people I trust, so that they know to watch their backs. I've been forced to close Facebook, email and YouTube accounts and various other accounts around the internet that I'm associated with. But if I'd shared the evidence with Riptard, what would he make of it? Do you think he'd post it in one of his articles about how EVE is dying because of the meanie scammers and gankers? If you're saying yes, then you're wrong: the player in question is an afk miner with five accounts and hubris up to his earballs. Riptard wouldn't do anything to endanger his own people now, would he.

I'll tell you something that no one in the New Order, Goons, or any of these groups that you all so hate with so much passion would never do. They'd never dox you. They'd never threaten your real life entity, and they'd never use your family as leverage.

Want to hear the scariest part? This person actually contacted my mother on Facebook to tell her she was an awful person for raising such an arse of a son. You know what she did?

She called me, apologised for being a horrible mother and cried for three hours before I calmed her down and reminded her that I'm an adult and it's just a game they're talking about. By the end of the conversation, she actually understood what EVE is about, she understood the nature of the game. She's 55 years old and gets this game better than half you 15-20 somethings curled up in your little safety bubbles in highsec do.

Do you know what I did to the last person who made my mother cry? I drove a two-tonne truck straight at him, slammed on the breaks when I realised what I was doing and stopped it with him pinned between a bullbar and a garage door. He was unharmed, thank ****, because I would have been entirely responsible for any injury he sustained. And I would have ACCEPTED that responsibility for my EMOTIONAL reaction.

My point is, the vile person who doxed me and did that to my mother, he's still playing this game. He's out there right now, thinking that what he did has no consequences. He's gonna do it again. Does anyone care? Probably not, no, not until it happens to you anyway.

You think Ero did something wrong here? I submit to you that the most evil people in the game are the carebears who would like nothing more than to foist him on a stake. You need to learn to get some perspective, reconnect to ******* reality and stop being so goddamn entitled.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4980 - 2014-03-27 12:25:11 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


Not at all, IF E1 is lying about being kicked then why believe anything else he is saying?

I say if because it is not fair just to presume he is lying.

However why would 2 prominent Goons, both Baltec 1 and Mynnna say he was kicked and why kick him for something which Baltec advocates is fine.

I mean you may ban somebody for a small out of time or simply troll him for bad posting but to kick him for just bad posting, bit harsh wouldn't you say?


Not for us it isn't. We don't like people shitting up our forums with badposts.