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Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4921 - 2014-03-27 12:00:39 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


If he was 'subjected' to anything then he subjected himself. Y U NO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT OF CONSENT???



Do you, are there accually any legal evidence that the victim is in fact 27? or might he just as well be a minor lying?


How about his wife?


Hardly any proof..

You`d be amazed about the age some people marry in some cultures..


He claims to live in the U.S Legal age for marriage in the U.S is 18. Please try harder
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4922 - 2014-03-27 12:01:06 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


If he was 'subjected' to anything then he subjected himself. Y U NO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT OF CONSENT???



Do you, are there accually any legal evidence that the victim is in fact 27? or might he just as well be a minor lying?


Bloody murder!? Who cares? How could anyone involved know for sure?
How could anyone you shoot your lazors at ingame not be a little baby seal/puppy, YOU MEAN MEAN BULLY!
No victims = no crimes.
Deal with it.

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Prince Kobol
#4923 - 2014-03-27 12:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
I am getting a little confused.

E1 was supposedly kicked from the Widot.

Erotica 1 wrote:
I was not kicked out of Widot. I left to save Widot any hassle. I wasn't supposed to leave, in fact, I was told to stay around by various directors in GSF.


The post is on page 112

However Baltec has stated he was kicked

baltec1 wrote:


We did not kick him for creeping us out. It was due to the terrible posting and endless boasting.



However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4924 - 2014-03-27 12:02:52 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.


What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?


Well that's when I know Baltec is on damage control Lolz

I made about 500 sales of "Redeemers" in Geddon body and never ever had to give somebody the real thing.

This crap about scam must work theory is just one pile of dogpoo and jita local tears simply destroy it.

I hate scammers like you. At least Erotica 1 doubles your ISK. Your actions show you are morally bankrupt.

People like you should be banned by CCP based on MY feelings.


And I'm ok with it because I stick to the rules and simply thrive on stupidity.
When somebody calls me out I send a hi five for not being a ****** but I don't go into lengths E1 goes to humiliate people for his own and publicly distributed "amusement"

I play this GAME as it was designed to be played because I know the difference between pixels and RL.
Some of you here need a fuckin doc as you believe New Eden is real.

Fucktards.
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#4925 - 2014-03-27 12:02:56 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


That's it, I'm calling your babysitter.



This with other childish rants I think proves you are a minor.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4926 - 2014-03-27 12:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Endovior
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.


What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?


You keep asking that question. It should be noted that nobody but Erotica1 can give a factual answer to that question, and he has no reason to do so.

That said, it strikes me that the real answer is probably something along the lines of 'convince E1 that you deserve to be showered with imaginary space money'. If so, then winning the game depends on some combination of your attitude, and E1's mood at the time. No sensible person doubts the subjective and arbitrary nature of the contest, and it's entirely reasonable to conclude that many of the people who win are in some way affiliated with E1. Probably not all, though; available evidence suggests that there are winners out there. Enough to justify playing? Probably not, but certainly enough to lure in marks.
Salvos Rhoska
#4927 - 2014-03-27 12:03:22 UTC
Abrei-Kaii wrote:
He claims to live in the U.S Legal age for marriage in the U.S is 18. Please try harder

Legal age for marriage in the US can be as low as 15 in some states, with parental consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America

Try harder yourself before you tell others to. Thanks.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4928 - 2014-03-27 12:03:33 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt


I don't have to try, you're all making yourself look stupid just fine without my intervention, I'm just enjoying the show. I've added plenty, and it's all been dismissed by mouth-frothing paranoid pitchfork-wielding over-emotional morality police that wouldn't know what being rational meant if they were born into Mensa.

Really, though, thoroughly enjoying the tinfoil-inspired assumption that I'm an alt of Ero. Especially considering I've stated numerous times I neither support nor condemn him. That, and I'm an Australian single-account holder with only a hauling alt on the same account. Not that I have to explain anything to you, I just want you to understand why you and your very presumptuous buddies in the 'burn ero but pretend sokhar is innocent' crowd sound like total morons to me.


So you call us morons for having opinion different than yours, at this point you just sperg post for your amusement and some how being Australian makes you special?

Yeah. Lulz.





No, I call you morons for jumping to conclusions.

Wait, what was it you said? "You got to be E1s alt" or something like that?

If you're so prepared to jump to conclusions about me, what's there to stop you from jumping to conclusions about anything else? Like the circumstances surrounding this 'incident'?

You're a moron because you're a presumptuous **** who ignores rational arguments and reasonable assertions because they don't make you feel angry at Ero like everyone really wants to. Because let's face it: how many of you have been just WAITING for something even resembling a legit excuse to rage about Erotica 1 and make so very much ado about nothing?


I hear a guy manipulate somebody to intentionally humiliate him using in game leverage with false promise and going public on top of it.
You got to be a total douche not to even consider it as something wrong.

I could care less about lost pixels but if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people and intentionally set everything up to dodge ban hammer then no matter what some twisted individuals think this is a case for outrage and I'm glad that at least part of this already ****** up community is able to pull they eyes out of their ass and realize that things went too far.

Go chase a kangaroo and stop acting like wrong is ok because it's cool.


"Oh, hey, it's an Australian!! Quick, think of something funny to say about Kangaroos!!" How original and witty of you.

Just, go have a think about everything that's been said about consent, which because you've ignored it you'll have to go through the thread and find it, and then have a think about what you just said. Because if Ero went to far, then so did Sokhar with his threats, racism, etc. Why aren't you this passionate about banning him as well?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jagoff Haverford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4929 - 2014-03-27 12:04:05 UTC
Here's a simple scenario that I've seen happen. Your corp CEO goes AFK for a bit of time, nobody knows where he is, but the corp wallet keeps growing due to ratting taxes and the like. Some of the things that are usually done with this money -- POS fuel, ore buyback, SRP, whatever -- grind to a halt. People start bitching about it on TS, but nobody can really be bothered to form a new corp.

Then one day the CEO logs in, empties the corp wallet, kicks everyone, and closes the corp. People feel a bit cheated, but they haven't lost much other than was stored in POS arrays and the like. But then somebody starts to think about all that money sitting in the wallet.

So a couple guys get together on another TS server and make a recording. One pretends to be the former CEO, and demands that the other player read from websites and sing songs in order to "get the corp wallet back". They go on for an hour or two, and then the other person pretends to lose it, threatens suicide, uses foul language, gets his wife to plead with the "CEO" for the money.

None of it is real, but they submit the recording to CCP anyway and ask that the former CEO be banned and that ISK be returned to them.

CCP has no ability to tell which recordings are real and which ones are fake. They can't tell one player's voice from any other's. If all it takes is one purported recording of "unacceptable torture" to get someone banned, revenge recordings will be a dime a dozen before the end of April, all with the aim of getting someone banned.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4930 - 2014-03-27 12:04:14 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


I hear a guy manipulate somebody to intentionally humiliate him using in game leverage with false promise and going public on top of it.
You got to be a total douche not to even consider it as something wrong.

I could care less about lost pixels but if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people and intentionally set everything up to dodge ban hammer then no matter what some twisted individuals think this is a case for outrage and I'm glad that at least part of this already ****** up community is able to pull they eyes out of their ass and realize that things went too far.

Go chase a kangaroo and stop acting like wrong is ok because it's cool.


If not for people like you this would have gone unnoticed and only a handful of people would have heard the recording. Your actions are bringing a bigger audience to this event. If anything, you have cased more harm here than anything E1 did. You people dont give a damn about the "victim", all you see is the chance to drag a well known scamers name through the mud.

Even the guy who ran the blog didnt listen to the recording. This smacks of one of his election stunts which he pulls every year or when he isn't getting his way with the CSM.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4931 - 2014-03-27 12:04:19 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Why is CCP responsible for the actions of an individual who does another individual harm over a game? Does said individual not have any control over their emotions and can they not tell the difference between a video game and real life?


Many reasons actually. The first being that where their very own TOS/EULA state that any game items are the property of CCP games. This instantly gives them a say over this incident where it is ingame items being used as leverage to humiliate and torture the victim. Secondly the fact that the predator is using eve online - once again property of CCP games to find victims and kick start his sick perverted hobby.

If I loan somebody my car and they run somebody over, am I not partially to blame or even involved as it was my car?

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4932 - 2014-03-27 12:04:37 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt


I don't have to try, you're all making yourself look stupid just fine without my intervention, I'm just enjoying the show. I've added plenty, and it's all been dismissed by mouth-frothing paranoid pitchfork-wielding over-emotional morality police that wouldn't know what being rational meant if they were born into Mensa.

Really, though, thoroughly enjoying the tinfoil-inspired assumption that I'm an alt of Ero. Especially considering I've stated numerous times I neither support nor condemn him. That, and I'm an Australian single-account holder with only a hauling alt on the same account. Not that I have to explain anything to you, I just want you to understand why you and your very presumptuous buddies in the 'burn ero but pretend sokhar is innocent' crowd sound like total morons to me.


So you call us morons for having opinion different than yours, at this point you just sperg post for your amusement and some how being Australian makes you special?

Yeah. Lulz.





No, I call you morons for jumping to conclusions.

Wait, what was it you said? "You got to be E1s alt" or something like that?

If you're so prepared to jump to conclusions about me, what's there to stop you from jumping to conclusions about anything else? Like the circumstances surrounding this 'incident'?

You're a moron because you're a presumptuous **** who ignores rational arguments and reasonable assertions because they don't make you feel angry at Ero like everyone really wants to. Because let's face it: how many of you have been just WAITING for something even resembling a legit excuse to rage about Erotica 1 and make so very much ado about nothing?


I hear a guy manipulate somebody to intentionally humiliate him using in game leverage with false promise and going public on top of it.
You got to be a total douche not to even consider it as something wrong.

I could care less about lost pixels but if I read that they use this chat room in a way that can harm people and intentionally set everything up to dodge ban hammer then no matter what some twisted individuals think this is a case for outrage and I'm glad that at least part of this already ****** up community is able to pull they eyes out of their ass and realize that things went too far.

Go chase a kangaroo and stop acting like wrong is ok because it's cool.

Or the 'victim' can turn off the game client, voice comm software, PC as he is unable to distinguish between real life and a video game? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying what Erotica 1 did was right, I'm saying that the victim in this case doesn't have to be a victim. And getting back on topic, what people THINK or FEEL about E1's actions should not be sufficient grounds for him to be banned.

Otherwise, I take offense at your stereotypes about Australians and the language (implied or not) you use and think you should be banned.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4933 - 2014-03-27 12:05:20 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:
He claims to live in the U.S Legal age for marriage in the U.S is 18. Please try harder

Legal age for marriage in the US can be as low as 15 in some states, with parental consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America

Try harder yourself before you tell others to. Thanks.


This is all incredible reaching. Seriously, you people are trying to think of ANYTHING that might validate your 'reasoning' now aren't you. The guy is a consenting adult. He's a ******* ATC for crying out loud, don't think they let 15 year olds do that do they?

Or are you calling Sokhar a liar? Thought you guys were on his side.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#4934 - 2014-03-27 12:06:10 UTC
Endovior wrote:
You keep asking that question. It should be noted that nobody but Erotica1 can give a factual answer that question, and he has no reason to do so. It strikes me that the real answer is something along the lines of 'convince E1 that you deserve to be showered with imaginary space money'. If so, then winning the game depends on some combination of your attitude, and E1's mood at the time. No sensible person doubts the subjective and arbitrary nature of the contest, and it's entirely reasonable to conclude that many of the people who win are in some way affiliated with E1. Probably not all, though; available evidence suggests that there are winners out there. Enough to justify playing? Probably not, but certainly enough to lure in marks.


I keep asking them exactly, as you point out, because they have not been answered.
I will keep asking them until they are answered. If CCP chooses to prevent my asking it, that is their prerogative, and only theirs.


What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4935 - 2014-03-27 12:06:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.


What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?


Well that's when I know Baltec is on damage control Lolz

I made about 500 sales of "Redeemers" in Geddon body and never ever had to give somebody the real thing.

This crap about scam must work theory is just one pile of dogpoo and jita local tears simply destroy it.


Scamming renamed ships and taking everything off someone is a different ballgame.


Maybe but it's within game rules and it stays in CCP controlled environment.
That's what I am talking about yet you all defend somebody going RL and publicly with humiliation in mind.

**** man just send me Wester Union transfer. I'll ******* quadruple it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4936 - 2014-03-27 12:06:36 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


That's it, I'm calling your babysitter.



This with other childish rants I think proves you are a minor.


Your standard of acceptable proof is indicative (see how I didn't say proof) of a poor education.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4937 - 2014-03-27 12:06:43 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:
He claims to live in the U.S Legal age for marriage in the U.S is 18. Please try harder

Legal age for marriage in the US can be as low as 15 in some states, with parental consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America

Try harder yourself before you tell others to. Thanks.


Minors can now apply for jobs as an air traffic controller? Guess I won't be flying again any time soon...

Oh wait, here's your tinfoil hat :D
Dieterlin
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#4938 - 2014-03-27 12:07:17 UTC
Danalee wrote:

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go

ETC...



How many times can you post the same thing before it becomes reportable for spam?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4939 - 2014-03-27 12:07:18 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


However we have Mynnna saying in relation to Jesters Blog

"Erotica1 had an alt in a goon membercorp (or perhaps it was his main character, who knows) and when he brought attention to himself trying to brag about his actions we shot him in the head for it"

So which is it, did he leave on his own accord, was he kicked just for general bad posting as baltec has stated, or was he kick as Mynnna alluded to, bragging about his specific actions in relation to him recording and humiliating people?

There are many rumours that he was called out by a director for an incident involving mayonnaise... ( I really do not want to know)

I mean if 2 prominent goons, one who is on the CSM are saying E1 was kicked due his boosting about his antics but E1 is saying he left of his own accorded and was not kicked, who is lying?


We both said he was kicked for bragging.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4940 - 2014-03-27 12:07:32 UTC
Endovior wrote:
...it strikes me that the real answer is probably something along the lines of ...

I don't think this question is designed to elicit a factual answer. It's a trigger that hasn't been pulled yet. The right answer will be the one that helps justify a position that E1 is evil and should be purged from the game.

Anything short of that will be treated as untrue.