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Kyperion
#4881 - 2014-03-27 11:42:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


So I guess we should ban all of them people who scam corps because they often spend MONTHS running the scam.

Heaven forbid we prevent one dickhead from sabatoging the work and cooperation of a group of players potentially reaching the thousands.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4882 - 2014-03-27 11:42:48 UTC
I did not listen to all of the recording but to me it sounds like it has nothing to do with playing a game anymore.

Unfortunately, it is not up to CCP to do anything about that.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4883 - 2014-03-27 11:43:48 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
CCP still silent huh?

****** up.


CCP will ban everyone participating in this thread.

Gotta throw out the rabble for the future EVE Utopia where everyone will hold hands and sing until the UFO's come and them away.


They way they are handling this they can go and **** themselves.
I already silenced my two out of five accounts.
It ain't tantrum or anything it's just there are times when you realize something is just not right and that's when you start balancing pros and cons.

I'll still do **** for now but somehow this entire ordeal here pushed me back and I'm in this game for quite some time.


A violent, racist, homophobe with a child's intelligence throwing a tantrum on teamspeak doesn't warrant changes to eve online or a response from CCP.

Go ahead and quit.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4884 - 2014-03-27 11:43:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.


So let me get this right.

You want CCP to ban someone who has broken no EULA or TOS rules. Someone who asked a willing contestant to read out the code, a few wikipedia pages and to sing two songs, one of which from a disney children show.

Is this what you are asking them to do?


baltec you are over simplifying what happened and the root cause. This was a scam that turned into something that no one deserves to be subjected to. All the other sementics (he could walk away, etc.) is academic to me, erotica was wrong, his action repugnant by any standards (even the lose eve moral norm) and it should not be tolerated.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4885 - 2014-03-27 11:44:02 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt


I don't have to try, you're all making yourself look stupid just fine without my intervention, I'm just enjoying the show. I've added plenty, and it's all been dismissed by mouth-frothing paranoid pitchfork-wielding over-emotional morality police that wouldn't know what being rational meant if they were born into Mensa.

Really, though, thoroughly enjoying the tinfoil-inspired assumption that I'm an alt of Ero. Especially considering I've stated numerous times I neither support nor condemn him. That, and I'm an Australian single-account holder with only a hauling alt on the same account. Not that I have to explain anything to you, I just want you to understand why you and your very presumptuous buddies in the 'burn ero but pretend sokhar is innocent' crowd sound like total morons to me.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4886 - 2014-03-27 11:44:12 UTC
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

If you set up a charade with a neutral alt, who does the voice in the recording?
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4887 - 2014-03-27 11:44:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

They would not need to ban anyone if they would stop catering to the lowest moral fiber of humanity


You do know this is a game right? None of these pixels are real.

Scamming is a cornerstone of EVE and isnt going away. Perhaps you should join another space MMO that does ban these things.


Why are you talking about scamming here?
Who gives a **** if somebody lost pixels.

This thing is about some psycho going way too ******* far and intentionally humiliating it's victim by using a leverage and false promises and then going public with it.
Kyperion
#4888 - 2014-03-27 11:44:21 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


So I guess we should ban all of them people who scam corps because they often spend MONTHS running the scam.

Heaven forbid we prevent one dickhead from sabatoging the work and cooperation of a group of players potentially reaching the thousands.


And its perfect that a Goon should mention that, as all Erotica 1 is; is an extension of the same kind of thing that disintegrated BoB, and other tactics first developed by Mittani and his sheeple.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4889 - 2014-03-27 11:44:47 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.


So let me get this right.

You want CCP to ban someone who has broken no EULA or TOS rules. Someone who asked a willing contestant to read out the code, a few wikipedia pages and to sing two songs, one of which from a disney children show.

Is this what you are asking them to do?


baltec you are over simplifying what happened and the root cause. This was a scam that turned into something that no one deserves to be subjected to. All the other sementics (he could walk away, etc.) is academic to me, erotica was wrong, his action repugnant by any standards (even the lose eve moral norm) and it should not be tolerated.


If he was 'subjected' to anything then he subjected himself. Y U NO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT OF CONSENT???

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4890 - 2014-03-27 11:44:55 UTC
What saddens me the most is that E1 actaully has a shot at becoming our CSM. I really hope actions get taken against him, there's just some lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4891 - 2014-03-27 11:45:36 UTC
Kyperion wrote:


And its perfect that a Goon should mention that, as all Erotica 1 is; is an extension of the same kind of thing that disintegrated BoB, and other tactics first developed by Mittani and his sheeple.


You'd rather have BoB back?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4892 - 2014-03-27 11:46:08 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


So I guess we should ban all of them people who scam corps because they often spend MONTHS running the scam.

Heaven forbid we prevent one dickhead from sabatoging the work and cooperation of a group of players potentially reaching the thousands.

I find your opinion of another player doing something that is expressly allowed by CCP very disturbing and CCP should ban rude people like you, based on my feelings about the intolerant nature of your character.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4893 - 2014-03-27 11:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Norman
Bunnie Hop wrote:
This was a scam that turned into something that no one deserves to be subjected to. All the other sementics (he could walk away, etc.) is academic to me, erotica was wrong, his action repugnant by any standards (even the lose eve moral norm) and it should not be tolerated.

PinkPanter wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

They would not need to ban anyone if they would stop catering to the lowest moral fiber of humanity


You do know this is a game right? None of these pixels are real.

Scamming is a cornerstone of EVE and isnt going away. Perhaps you should join another space MMO that does ban these things.


Why are you talking about scamming here?
Who gives a **** if somebody lost pixels.

This thing is about some psycho going way too ******* far and intentionally humiliating it's victim by using a leverage and false promises and then going public with it.

Tor Norman wrote:
For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

Reposting for great justice.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4894 - 2014-03-27 11:47:15 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt


I don't have to try, you're all making yourself look stupid just fine without my intervention, I'm just enjoying the show. I've added plenty, and it's all been dismissed by mouth-frothing paranoid pitchfork-wielding over-emotional morality police that wouldn't know what being rational meant if they were born into Mensa.

Really, though, thoroughly enjoying the tinfoil-inspired assumption that I'm an alt of Ero. Especially considering I've stated numerous times I neither support nor condemn him. That, and I'm an Australian single-account holder with only a hauling alt on the same account. Not that I have to explain anything to you, I just want you to understand why you and your very presumptuous buddies in the 'burn ero but pretend sokhar is innocent' crowd sound like total morons to me.


So you call us morons for having opinion different than yours, at this point you just sperg post for your amusement and some how being Australian makes you special?

Yeah. Lulz.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4895 - 2014-03-27 11:48:11 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

If you set up a charade with a neutral alt, who does the voice in the recording?

Erotica 1 is very obviously an accomplished voice actor, in addition to being a paedophile, rapist, torturer etc.
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#4896 - 2014-03-27 11:48:55 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

If you set up a charade with a neutral alt, who does the voice in the recording?


one of any number of Erotica's crony friends. Maybe Alt wasnt the best description, Associates would probably be more fitting.
Salvos Rhoska
#4897 - 2014-03-27 11:49:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.


What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4898 - 2014-03-27 11:49:20 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

If you set up a charade with a neutral alt, who does the voice in the recording?

Erotica 1 is very obviously an accomplished voice actor, in addition to being a paedophile, rapist, torturer etc.

Don't forget he sets fire to goats and eats babies.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4899 - 2014-03-27 11:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
PinkPanter wrote:

The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt

PinkPanter wrote:
So you call us morons for having opinion different than yours, at this point you just sperg post for your amusement and some how being Australian makes you special?

Yeah. Lulz.


Double standards are a common feature of being a shameless hypocrite.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4900 - 2014-03-27 11:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Needs more normal people posting again? Here I go!

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

D.

Bear

PS: no bears (care or other) were harmed in any way shape or form by posting the above reasonable sommation of what transpired before people started grabbing their pitchforks because riptar faked being shoked about it.

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Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment