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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4861 - 2014-03-27 11:28:50 UTC
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4862 - 2014-03-27 11:29:45 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

The local chat in every trade hub system.....


So is this really about concern for the health of the game, or do you want to be able to accept contracts without having to actually read them?

Sigh, Sarcasm is so wasted on the fool.

I generally don't want to have a bunch of annoying douchebags cluttering up the channel.


Have you blocked yourself yet then?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4863 - 2014-03-27 11:30:49 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.

i.e. "someone is a bad person and we don't like what he did, CCP should ban him because of our feelings. Failing that we will start a witch hunt and a campaign of hate."
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4864 - 2014-03-27 11:30:58 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
CCP still silent huh?

****** up.


CCP will ban everyone participating in this thread.

Gotta throw out the rabble for the future EVE Utopia where everyone will hold hands and sing until the UFO's come and them away.


They way they are handling this they can go and **** themselves.
I already silenced my two out of five accounts.
It ain't tantrum or anything it's just there are times when you realize something is just not right and that's when you start balancing pros and cons.

I'll still do **** for now but somehow this entire ordeal here pushed me back and I'm in this game for quite some time.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4865 - 2014-03-27 11:32:24 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.
Kyperion
#4866 - 2014-03-27 11:33:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4867 - 2014-03-27 11:33:52 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


If you keep throwing tantrums, I'm going to have to call your babysitter.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4868 - 2014-03-27 11:35:38 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.


So let me get this right.

You want CCP to ban someone who has broken no EULA or TOS rules. Someone who asked a willing contestant to read out the code, a few wikipedia pages and to sing two songs, one of which from a disney children show.

Is this what you are asking them to do?
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4869 - 2014-03-27 11:36:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


If you keep throwing tantrums, I'm going to have to call your babysitter.


The way you are trying here so hard I would watch your back as mom might enter room and take your power cord.

WTF dude. Add something and stop trying so hard cause you all look even more stupid.

You got to be E1s alt
Kyperion
#4870 - 2014-03-27 11:36:52 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.

i.e. "someone is a bad person and we don't like what he did, CCP should ban him because of our feelings. Failing that we will start a witch hunt and a campaign of hate."

He is a bad person.... because of what he did and CCP should ban him because he is detrimental to the health of the community.

Pretty damn clear, 'feelings' have nothing to do with it and neither do witches
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4871 - 2014-03-27 11:36:53 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


If this is true, this line about the victim being an idiot is wrong, because the scam was not merely some 'give me your isk' request but a cleverly crafted and targeted Con.

Therefore even more damning to Erotica 1.


So I guess we should ban all of them people who scam corps because they often spend MONTHS running the scam.
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#4872 - 2014-03-27 11:36:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Well the evidence speaks loads of what the "bonus room" is all about, but it might just as well be used for high stakes isk movements and rmt`ing due to the rules set around it.

Welcome to the public view of the "bonus room", E1 could have sent this so called gameplay out to a public hearing before engaging in it..
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4873 - 2014-03-27 11:38:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.


So let me get this right.

You want CCP to ban someone who has broken no EULA or TOS rules. Someone who asked a willing contestant to read out the code, a few wikipedia pages and to sing two songs, one of which from a disney children show.

Is this what you are asking them to do?

Also wants other people to perform his/her parenting responsibilities instead of doing so him-/herself.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4874 - 2014-03-27 11:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


I'd hazard a guess a few more than is strictly necessary to keep the scam alive have won the bonus room, but reality is that player win or lose, erotica always wins the bonus round. ie one of the articles of faith I don't have a lot of faith in, is that its the 100th player that is selected. Its a story that is selected.
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#4875 - 2014-03-27 11:39:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Abrei-Kaii wrote:

Please provide proof


I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.


Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

Nobody has legitimately won a "bonus Room" because it's designed in such a way that it allows only 1 winner 100% of the time. You need to stop grasping at straws or your going to start sounding like Malcanis.
Kyperion
#4876 - 2014-03-27 11:39:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.


I do control what they have access to, but still believe this is a correct action to take. The ratings on this game need to take into account what actually happens in the game. I have provided them (I would be shocked if others haven't as well) evidence and at the very least they will be informed and that's the first step. I think CCP could end this now by doing what is ethically and morally right, but that is their decision to make.


So let me get this right.

You want CCP to ban someone who has broken no EULA or TOS rules. Someone who asked a willing contestant to read out the code, a few wikipedia pages and to sing two songs, one of which from a disney children show.

Is this what you are asking them to do?

They would not need to ban anyone if they would stop catering to the lowest moral fiber of humanity
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4877 - 2014-03-27 11:39:25 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Well the evidence speaks loads of what the "bonus room" is all about, but it might just as well be used for high stakes isk movements and rmt`ing due to the rules set around it.

Welcome to the public view of the "bonus room", E1 could have sent this so called gameplay out to a public hearing before engaging in it..




Everything that goes on in that bonus room are things that have gone on in EVE for over a decade.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4878 - 2014-03-27 11:40:43 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

They would not need to ban anyone if they would stop catering to the lowest moral fiber of humanity


You do know this is a game right? None of these pixels are real.

Scamming is a cornerstone of EVE and isnt going away. Perhaps you should join another space MMO that does ban these things.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4879 - 2014-03-27 11:42:06 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.

i.e. "someone is a bad person and we don't like what he did, CCP should ban him because of our feelings. Failing that we will start a witch hunt and a campaign of hate."

He is a bad person.... because of what he did and CCP should ban him because he is detrimental to the health of the community.

Pretty damn clear, 'feelings' have nothing to do with it and neither do witches

i.e. "CCP should ban someone based on how I feel."

YOU have not contributed in any way, shape or form to this community, and YOU have participated in this hate campaign on a random person you do not know on the internet, also asking CCP to take actions based on your perception of moral values. Banning people based on hyperbolic hate campaigns is detrimental to the game and therefore CCP should ban you.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4880 - 2014-03-27 11:42:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Well the evidence speaks loads of what the "bonus room" is all about, but it might just as well be used for high stakes isk movements and rmt`ing due to the rules set around it.

Welcome to the public view of the "bonus room", E1 could have sent this so called gameplay out to a public hearing before engaging in it..




Everything that goes on in that bonus room are things that have gone on in EVE for over a decade.


'cept for the mayo. Its difficult for me that one, because mynnna is someone I obviously trust, and some cut and pastes don't entirely gel with the story that erotica gave in another thread. You may of course have access to the forums concerned so have more context.