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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4661 - 2014-03-27 08:41:50 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Cjtirith wrote:
Ok, here's another angle :

Would it be a problem if the act in question was published on the front page of a newspaper? in the sense that there would be a general outcry of the majority of the population, and a strong backlash.
(and this is not just used for emails)

If the answer is yes, then CCP must address it, because without a response there *will* be more widespread publicity over this incident, just as B-R got widespread publicity.

Also, coming from the finance industry I'm very tempted to go fish for the contact information of CCP's investors and see how THEY would react if CCP did nothing...


the problem is, no one would have noticed this, no one really cares, it's not something new, and even if they did it's not that big of a deal, but you can't expect people to think clearly after they read this guys blog, the only reason this got so much attention is because of that damned blog and his choice of words and people waiting to jump on a bandwagon. combined with Erotica 1 reputation, his persona, peoples hate for scamming and all that crap about gankers/scammers/new order with the fuel that the guy from CSM poured all over it, it's very clear where this thread was going and what his goal was.

If we would go back in time, post just the recording, and say "look what erotica 1 did" this thread would now be 10-20 pages max.
with propaganda you can make anything an issue, hell a slap on the wrist with the right choice of words the right person to say them with the correct syntax and of course the right pitchforkers can make it seem like you were physically raped...

I don't even need to say anything else because i'm 100% sure that if it was anyone other than Ripard Teg condemning them and anyone other than Erotica 1 and co. on the other side, not one single **** (by anyone, or maybe just a few) would be given.




Given the response I think its pretty clear that the majority of players do not want this behavior occurring in and around EvE. Enough said, time for CCP to give players what they want rather than cater to the small group of sadists they currently cater to.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4662 - 2014-03-27 08:41:58 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

:)

I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link?


... you really are that stupid/ignorant, aren't you?

Sociopathy as a term was eliminated recently, rolled into antisocial personality disorder.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4663 - 2014-03-27 08:43:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I have never, anywhere, said that I am lawyer. I can however freely say that I am a plumber or lumberjack, even if I am not.

I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

I don't think you can win it unless they decide they want you to. Like somebody said earlier, Erotica has had some people in there for 6 hours so they're goal is to grind you down until you lose. No winning allowed.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#4664 - 2014-03-27 08:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
Quote:
Given the response I think its pretty clear that the majority of players do not want this behavior occurring in and around EvE. Enough said, time for CCP to give players what they want rather than cater to the small group of sadists they currently cater to.


did you miss the part where I said even if they did know no one would care because it's not that big of a deal and bla bla bla?
I guess you did.

edit: I guess even the people up-voting you only read your post.. are people really agreeing with you quoting me.. did you even read my post.. you guys are an illiterate bunch..

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4665 - 2014-03-27 08:45:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

It never ends. No one ever wins. The hosts of this Bonus Room keep moving the goal posts forever by tacking on endless chores. The idea is the player will always give up in the end, thus making it look like it is their own fault.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4666 - 2014-03-27 08:45:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

:)

I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link?


... you really are that stupid/ignorant, aren't you?

Sociopathy as a term was eliminated recently, rolled into antisocial personality disorder.

No I'm not stupid Walrus. I'm actually pretty intelligent. Perhaps in your part of the world they no longer use the term sociopath but in Australia its still very commonly used, especially by the public, of which I am a member.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4667 - 2014-03-27 08:46:04 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

I think that's already been answered as best anyone here can, hasn't it?

I don't think anyone currently contributing has any more experience with the bonus room than you do.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4668 - 2014-03-27 08:48:34 UTC
Serious and important question: what's the record for one of these threads in terms of page count? Anyone know?
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#4669 - 2014-03-27 08:49:23 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Serious and important question: what's the record for one of these threads in terms of page count? Anyone know?


I will meet your goal, or die posting..
might have to go in a few though so keep the train coming!!!!!!

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Salvos Rhoska
#4670 - 2014-03-27 08:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
The assets are already transferred to the Bonus Room perpetrators before it begins.

If there is no legitimate way to win the Bonus Room, then it can he shown to be merely facilitate humiliatiin and degradatiin on the victim, with no actual recourse to winning it, and no additional profit to the perpetrators.

Because there is no further ISK to be made from it, and there is no way for the partcipant to legitimately win, the only remaining motive is intent to cause harm and purpose is malice towards the victim, till they remove themselves from the situation.

I ask again, what is required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
#4671 - 2014-03-27 08:52:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

:)

I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link?


... you really are that stupid/ignorant, aren't you?

Sociopathy as a term was eliminated recently, rolled into antisocial personality disorder.


Are you familiar with the work of George Orwell?

Please stop this mode of semantics or everyone sensible will have to doublethink their way out of here.
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#4672 - 2014-03-27 08:54:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The assets are already transferred to the Bonus Room perpetrators before it begins.

If there is no legitimate way to win the Bonus Room, then it can he shown to be merely facilitate humiliatiin and degradatiin on the victim, with no actual recourse to winning it, and no additional profit to the perpetrators.

Because there is no further ISK to be made from it, and there is no way for the partcipant to legitimately win, the only remaining motive is intent to cause harm and purpose is malice towards the victim, till they remove themselves from the situation.

I ask again, what is required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?


FFS! YOU CAN'T!
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#4673 - 2014-03-27 08:54:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

:)

I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link?


... you really are that stupid/ignorant, aren't you?

Sociopathy as a term was eliminated recently, rolled into antisocial personality disorder.


Seems your right but the wiki :) says:

both the DSM and ICD that their current diagnosis have been referred to as sociopath.

Actually Im thinking that erotica's behavior does not fall under an illness specifically due to the lack of erratic compulsivety displayed. The premeditation and planning probably puts it by design in the legal books now instead of the medical books.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#4674 - 2014-03-27 08:55:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have just finished Funky Bacons blog on the matter and one thing struck me.

I noticed that it was stated somewhere in this thread that E1 stated that he has reviewed the EULA/TOS carefully to ensure that he does not break them, hence him making sure he uses 3rd Party Comms, and also makes sure he gain consent so he does not break any laws.

If what he is doing fine then why so be so careful you are not breaking any laws?

You would only check this as you know what you are doing is both morally and ethically wrong and want a way out if something goes wrong.

If you know that what you are doing is fine you wouldn't go to the lengths he has to cover his own ass.


I have seen many posts claiming that Ero didn't break any rules and therefore couldn't be banned.
Those posters are mistaken.

While I don't think that Ero should be banned (for reasons I already posted in this thread, now buried on page 187 or so) it doesn't mean CCP couldn't ban him and justify a ban with the rules.

Allow me to quote the rules to make it clear (I bolded the most relevant part):

Quote:
As an Eve Online subscriber, you must observe and abide by the rules of conduct and policies outlined below, as well as the End User License Agreement. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.

1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

This alone could justify a ban as it is within CCPs rights to interpret the vague legal concept of "abuse" and "harass" as they deem fit. Please note that this is not limited to in-game behavior only.

Also we have this:
Quote:
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

The bonus room rules involve the "exchange or transfer of items in the game" while clearly there are no "in-game sales of in-game services or items".

Of course CCP doesn't even need to justy a ban with the aforementioned TOS violations:

Quote:
25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.

26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Salvos Rhoska
#4675 - 2014-03-27 08:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Souxie Alduin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The assets are already transferred to the Bonus Room perpetrators before it begins.

If there is no legitimate way to win the Bonus Room, then it can he shown to be merely facilitate humiliatiin and degradatiin on the victim, with no actual recourse to winning it, and no additional profit to the perpetrators.

Because there is no further ISK to be made from it, and there is no way for the partcipant to legitimately win, the only remaining motive is intent to cause harm and purpose is malice towards the victim, till they remove themselves from the situation.

I ask again, what is required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?


FFS! YOU CAN'T!


Then it can be shown that the Bonus Rooms only function is an arena to harm the victim.

It then categorically falls under the EULA as an event and instance the only purpose of which is to abuse and harm the victim.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
#4676 - 2014-03-27 08:56:54 UTC
If Erotica1 broke the rules I hope him and the people involved in the bonus room are banned. Because they broke the rules and I find their actions particularly distasteful and... particularly and egregiously rude.

If they didn't then I think CCP should think about their sandbox and decide accordingly because in the end it's theirs and not mine to decide.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#4677 - 2014-03-27 08:57:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
It is if you are laughing and applauding at someone being attacked on the street.

If its someone who I know has spent 2hrs tormenting a victim and his wife to the point of breaking, for no other reason than to sadistically enjoy their suffering and to share their recording of it with "friends", yes, I will absolutely laugh and applaud.

More :Moral High Ground:


More :Artillery:
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4678 - 2014-03-27 08:59:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Souxie Alduin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The assets are already transferred to the Bonus Room perpetrators before it begins.

If there is no legitimate way to win the Bonus Room, then it can he shown to be merely facilitate humiliatiin and degradatiin on the victim, with no actual recourse to winning it, and no additional profit to the perpetrators.

Because there is no further ISK to be made from it, and there is no way for the partcipant to legitimately win, the only remaining motive is intent to cause harm and purpose is malice towards the victim, till they remove themselves from the situation.

I ask again, what is required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?


FFS! YOU CAN'T!


Then it can be shown that the Bonus Rooms only function is an arena to harm the victim.

It then categorically falls under the EULA as an event and instance the only purpose of which is to abuse and harm the victim.


I believe they have more than half a dozen winners so far. Likely more.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Dieterlin
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#4679 - 2014-03-27 08:59:36 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
The assets are already transferred to the Bonus Room perpetrators before it begins.

If there is no legitimate way to win the Bonus Room, then it can he shown to be merely facilitate humiliatiin and degradatiin on the victim, with no actual recourse to winning it, and no additional profit to the perpetrators.

Because there is no further ISK to be made from it, and there is no way for the partcipant to legitimately win, the only remaining motive is intent to cause harm and purpose is malice towards the victim, till they remove themselves from the situation.

I ask again, what is required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?


It's pretty obvious that the whole point of the bonus room is just humiliation. If it were done with in-game chat, it would violate that bit of the EULA that I've quoted infinity times that nobody seems to notice because this thread is just going in circles now.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4680 - 2014-03-27 09:00:09 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

No I'm not stupid Walrus. I'm actually pretty intelligent. Perhaps in your part of the world they no longer use the term sociopath but in Australia its still very commonly used, especially by the public, of which I am a member.

That's why all your knowledge on the subject comes from movies and tv shows.

Oh god.