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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4641 - 2014-03-27 08:29:32 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
No, the day of reckoning is at hand, a fundamental paradigm shift is needed.


It isn't. You're trying to put all scammers in the same basket as the guy who scams people out of literally everything & then proceeds to make them sing 10 songs with a entire piece of steak in their mouth with mayonaise dribbling down their chin.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#4642 - 2014-03-27 08:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Muestereate
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have just finished Funky Bacons blog on the matter and one thing struck me.

I noticed that it was stated somewhere in this thread that E1 stated that he has reviewed the EULA/TOS carefully to ensure that he does not break them, hence him making sure he uses 3rd Party Comms, and also makes sure he gain consent so he does not break any laws.

If what he is doing fine then why so be so careful you are not breaking any laws?

You would only check this as you know what you are doing is both morally and ethically wrong and want a way out if something goes wrong.

If you know that what you are doing is fine you wouldn't go to the lengths he has to cover his own ass.


Because breaking the law is bad? Fear of the law does not imply guilt, nor should it.




Yes breaking the law is bad. just in case nobody told you that yet. Only politicians,lawmakers and very rich law writing consultants are above it.
Salvos Rhoska
#4643 - 2014-03-27 08:30:55 UTC
Insulting the speach impediment already constitutes grounds for enacting the EULA and legal action.

What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4644 - 2014-03-27 08:32:01 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Insulting the speach impediment already constitutes grounds for enacting the EULA and legal action.

What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?

You win the bonus room by never participating in the first place.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4645 - 2014-03-27 08:32:02 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Scamming IS killing the game


11 years of continuous growth, but EVE is dying because I took a persons 3 billion isk & a bunch of ships off him.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4646 - 2014-03-27 08:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Insulting the speach impediment already constitutes grounds for enacting the EULA and legal action.

What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?


Go ahead and link the part of the EULA that mentions that. And what law or precedent for the "legal action", too.

Edit: Hey, isn't it actually illegal to claim false legal credentials like this guy has?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Hello Monument Visitor
Doomheim
#4647 - 2014-03-27 08:32:35 UTC
Icylce wrote:
Hello Monument Visitor wrote:
I just want to summarize a bit for my own sake and maybe others. There really are a lot of posts about this now! Please indicate where I may have gone wrong...


  1. E1 baits gullible and / or vulnerable people in EvE with a scam.
  2. Once a potential victim is found and has shown sufficient vulnerability, they are invited to continue out of game on TS (the bonus room).
  3. The scam continues for a few minutes on TS until the victim has been scammed out of all in-game assets.
  4. E1 then ransoms the victim's assets through a series of humiliating & escalating non-game related actions & tasks, picking up on any possible weaknesses the victim may have (speech impediment for example).
  5. E1 continues this process for as long as it takes for the victim to display alarming levels of psychological torment & distress and snap into outrage.
  6. The whole process is recorded and sometimes made public.


What I gather from reading many (but not all) comments is that the player base in general are OK with 1 & 2 as it's all a part of the game we play. Most are still OK with 3 but some don't like taking it out of game (mainly due to subsequent steps I think, might be wrong here though).

4 is beginning to push certain limits that people have, mainly based around extending an EvE scam into real world actions. 5 is seen as thoroughly reprehensible. 6 isn't mentioned too much - some see it as pawn for E1's pleasure, some as further psychological torment of the victim.

That's my rough summary of the most common views from the players.

A minority try to validate E1's actions with things like "the victim should be banned for making threats", "HTFU, it's EvE", "he deserved it", "It's not illegal or in contravention of the EULA" (that's possibly the most common one) and possibly the most outstandingly appalling one is "E1 only did it to this extent once, other times weren't as bad so it's an outlier and is therefore OK".

For what it's worth, I'd say the majority of the EvE player base are morally sound people. The poor reputation that EvE's player base has is undeserved and is based on a very small minority. Reading this thread is evidence of this.


6. IS illegal if u dont have consent of person u record.


Thanks, though I was just trying to summarize how the players view all of this from a game perspective. Most players appear to agree that this behavior is undesirable and do not want EvE to be used as a hunting ground for people like E1 to inflict real world psychological torment, irrespective of legality, the EULA or the law in certain parts of the world.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4648 - 2014-03-27 08:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Insulting the speach impediment already constitutes grounds for enacting the EULA and legal action.

What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?


Go ahead and link the part of the EULA that mentions that. And what law or precedent for the "legal action", too.

Edit: Hey, isn't it actually illegal to claim false legal credentials like this guy has?

Legal action would come under anti-discrimination law if there is one in the state or territory you live in. Its not illegal to claim to have legal credentials - its usually not allowed to hold yourself up to be a lawyer unless you have a practicing certificate and only illegal in that case if you practice law for another person though its usually okay to practice it for yourself.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4649 - 2014-03-27 08:33:30 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Anyone with even a first year law school education would be laughing their asses off reading this thread.]

I think that bar is too high. No education is required to laugh at this thread.
Salvos Rhoska
#4650 - 2014-03-27 08:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?

You win the bonus room by never participating in the first place.


Then it is shown that the Bonus Room constitutes nothing but an arena for humiliation and degradation of the victim.

I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the Bonus Room?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4651 - 2014-03-27 08:35:06 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4652 - 2014-03-27 08:35:32 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

What exactly are the tasks required to be fulfilled, and how are they to be completed, in order to win the Bonus Room?


Well seeing this a 100% scam, there is no way to 'win' the 'bonus room'. The 'bonus room' is nothing more then an avenue for harassing a player that has just fell for the scam...

If anyone out there believes there is a way to actually 'win', I would like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for 10B isk. Any one interested?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4653 - 2014-03-27 08:36:02 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the Bonus Room?

Dude, its a scam. You know, eve is partially marketed based on online scams and crimes? That how I first heard of it anyway, I think I read an article about some Ebank heist.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4654 - 2014-03-27 08:36:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Then it is shown that the Bonus Room constitutes nothing but an arena for humiliation and degradation of the victim.

I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the Bonus Room?


You can go ahead and link that part of the EULA now. And those legal precedents too, for the "legal action" you were blustering about.

Oh and I looked and it is illegal in quite a few places to falsely claim to be a lawyer.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#4655 - 2014-03-27 08:37:31 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
All first time offenders caught in gang raping has a get out of jail freecard, yes?



YOU. stop it. gang **** isnt funny and shouldnt be cheapened like that to score points in a forum debate.


I'll add organised to my first question, and youre quite right, it aint funny, its sickening.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4656 - 2014-03-27 08:37:33 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Citation needed. Seriously, even just a case study would legitimise this claim.

Google "died while playing video game"


No citation then? Thought so.


That you need one to realize people have died while playing video games, is like needing a citation to 'prove' the holocaust...


How is a guy dying after playing Starcraft for 40+ hours without going to the toilet relevant in the slightest to the topic of this thread?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4657 - 2014-03-27 08:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Mallak Azaria wrote:
How is a guy dying after playing Starcraft for 40+ hours without going to the toilet relevant in the slightest to the topic of this thread?

Because - have to win.

However that whole point was a side issue and nothing really to get too worked up over.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4658 - 2014-03-27 08:39:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:

They're both pretty much the same thing. That's how sociopaths work.

You should know what you're talking about before you post. Sociopaths usually have very good self esteem. They unfortunately lack the ability to empathize with their victims and lack the ability for self reflection. Empathy is that feeling you get when you're being mean and you suddenly imagine yourself in the persons shoes and feel guilty.


Do you get a specific feeling when you so frequently post blatant lies on these forums? "Sociopath" ceased to be a thing a while back.

:)

I was unaware they had cured people with sociopathic tendencies. Care to post a link?

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#4659 - 2014-03-27 08:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
Cjtirith wrote:
Ok, here's another angle :

Would it be a problem if the act in question was published on the front page of a newspaper? in the sense that there would be a general outcry of the majority of the population, and a strong backlash.
(and this is not just used for emails)

If the answer is yes, then CCP must address it, because without a response there *will* be more widespread publicity over this incident, just as B-R got widespread publicity.

Also, coming from the finance industry I'm very tempted to go fish for the contact information of CCP's investors and see how THEY would react if CCP did nothing...


the problem is, no one would have noticed this, no one really cares, it's not something new, and even if they did it's not that big of a deal, but you can't expect people to think clearly after they read this guys blog, the only reason this got so much attention is because of that damned blog and his choice of words and people waiting to jump on a bandwagon. combined with Erotica 1 reputation, his persona, peoples hate for scamming and all that crap about gankers/scammers/new order with the fuel that the guy from CSM poured all over it, it's very clear where this thread was going and what his goal was.

If we would go back in time, post just the recording, and say "look what erotica 1 did" this thread would now be 10-20 pages max.
with propaganda you can make anything an issue, hell a slap on the wrist with the right choice of words the right person to say them with the correct syntax and of course the right pitchforkers can make it seem like you were physically raped...

I don't even need to say anything else because i'm 100% sure that if it was anyone other than Ripard Teg condemning them and anyone other than Erotica 1 and co. on the other side, not one single **** (by anyone, or maybe just a few) would be given.

TL;DR emm there's no logic in this thread

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Salvos Rhoska
#4660 - 2014-03-27 08:39:49 UTC
I have never, anywhere, said that I am lawyer. I can however freely say that I am a plumber or lumberjack, even if I am not.

I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

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