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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4301 - 2014-03-27 03:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Jill Chastot wrote:
defamation
/ˌdɛfəˈmeɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: defamation; plural noun: defamations
1.
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.


From which Act is that definition and who has been defamed?

Which person has had their good reputation slandered or libelled?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4302 - 2014-03-27 03:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jill Chastot wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jill Chastot wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jill Chastot wrote:
If that ain't defamatory i don't know what is

How would it be defamatory?

Isn't defamation the use of false statements to harm the reputation of someone?

Can someone's own statements in a recording be a false statement?

We shouldn't internet lawyer because neither of us are qualified, it's just a question because I struggle to see the link to defamation.


defamation


/ˌdɛfəˈmeɪʃ(ə)n/


noun

noun: defamation; plural noun: defamations



1.



the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.


No one's name has been slandered or libelled, because "Sokhar" isn't the name of a real person, but a fictional avatar.


That's not really an argument is it? Regardless of the virtuality of this situation it holds up in all respects


Yes, it is. Legally, the person being defamed has to be identifiable and explicitly referenced for it to pass as libel or slander, and it has to be demonstrable libel or slander.

If the person being defamed is not identifiable, then no one is really being defamed, are they. Because their name has not been identified, so how can it possibly effect any reputation under that name?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4303 - 2014-03-27 03:22:50 UTC
Oh man, this is bad. We are internet lawyering.

I think I'll drop out of this because the reality is we know stuff all about it in a legal sense.

I'll just be a fool to continue pretending I know what I'm discussing.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4304 - 2014-03-27 03:23:09 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know, I hadn't been decided yet as to whether I would vote for DJ FunkyBacon or not.

But his blog has been pretty much the best analysis of this, and is basically how I feel as well.

Take the time to read it.

http://funkybacon.blogspot.com/

Meh, I think he misses the point entirely. It's obvious that there's no criminal, civil, or EULA/ToS violations.

The problem, IMHO, is that the whole situation makes EVE (and CCP and us) look bad. It's guilt by association. Whether we like it or not, CCP, and we the players, are now "co-owners" of that damnable SoundCloud recording. If CCP and the player base do not condemn it, then we will be seen as implicitly supporting the out of game humiliation and degradation of people, which contravenes most basic societal norms. Does anyone really think that it's good for us to be perceived as being so sociopathic that we'll hurt people in real life over a bunch of pixelated assets? That we're so jaded with virtual tears, that we crave real tears? No. Just no.


tl;dr - Erotica1 needs to be publicly shunned for bringing shame and embarrassment on EVE and its players.



Then your real problem, much like me, is with Ripard Teg.

Because this was around for a month before he chose to make it an issue. It was less of an issue than "mission runners are getting screwed" this last month, *until* he decided to go on a press blitz with it.

Why he chose to do this is the only real question left.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4305 - 2014-03-27 03:28:03 UTC
Oh, and in before the "whistleblower defense."

Ripard Teg wasn't blowing the whistle on anything. It was known, public, and a non issue until he set out to make it one.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4306 - 2014-03-27 03:28:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know, I hadn't been decided yet as to whether I would vote for DJ FunkyBacon or not.

But his blog has been pretty much the best analysis of this, and is basically how I feel as well.

Take the time to read it.

http://funkybacon.blogspot.com/

Meh, I think he misses the point entirely. It's obvious that there's no criminal, civil, or EULA/ToS violations.

The problem, IMHO, is that the whole situation makes EVE (and CCP and us) look bad. It's guilt by association. Whether we like it or not, CCP, and we the players, are now "co-owners" of that damnable SoundCloud recording. If CCP and the player base do not condemn it, then we will be seen as implicitly supporting the out of game humiliation and degradation of people, which contravenes most basic societal norms. Does anyone really think that it's good for us to be perceived as being so sociopathic that we'll hurt people in real life over a bunch of pixelated assets? That we're so jaded with virtual tears, that we crave real tears? No. Just no.


tl;dr - Erotica1 needs to be publicly shunned for bringing shame and embarrassment on EVE and its players.



Then your real problem, much like me, is with Ripard Teg.

Because this was around for a month before he chose to make it an issue. It was less of an issue than "mission runners are getting screwed" this last month, *until* he decided to go on a press blitz with it.

Why he chose to do this is the only real question left.


The only real question left is why did we, as a community, wait so long to get a thread going about this?

Ripard is a catalyst. Erotica1 is the problem.

It's to our collective shame that it's taken so long for enough people to get fed up with him.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4307 - 2014-03-27 03:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Mr Epeen wrote:


The only real question left is why did we, as a community, wait so long to get a thread going about this?


Because it wasn't an issue until someone with enough puppets decided it should be an issue. The term is manufactured crisis.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4308 - 2014-03-27 03:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Navi Annages
Luminous Spirit where are you?

Erotica 1 needs your help. He is under mental distress and is being tortured right now as I type this in the forums. Please help him, he is not in control of his actions.

The kind and courteous escrow agents are kind, courteous and professional however you can see that E1 is starting to become mentally distressed because of his handicaps.

Please do something to help.

Luminous It’s not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us. Be the hero in our time of need.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#4309 - 2014-03-27 03:39:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


The only real question left is why did we, as a community, wait so long to get a thread going about this?


Because it wasn't an issue until someone with enough puppets decided it should be an issue. The term is manufactured crisis.



I'm of the opinion that is this has been going on for a while and was known about, then this is the answer to "why does Eve remain a niche game?"

You don't need to victimize everybody, just enough people to give everybody an impression.




Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#4310 - 2014-03-27 03:39:50 UTC
Ero has so many contracts to make that he is suffering physical pain in his fingers and is out of breath. Won't you please step in and halt this torture, Ripard and the white knight brigade?
Mario Putzo
#4311 - 2014-03-27 03:40:29 UTC
Anyone having to use the market and contract interface undergoes mental duress. Not just folks in the bonus room.

But an update they just forced Erotica 1 to take a 5 minute smoke break. (paraphrasing) "Ya go ahead an have a smoke, hurry back"
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#4312 - 2014-03-27 03:41:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Anyone having to use the market and contract interface undergoes mental duress. Not just folks in the bonus room.

But an update they just forced Erotica 1 to take a 5 minute smoke break. (paraphrasing) "Ya go ahead an have a smoke, hurry back"

And then we discussed weed

YAY success
smells like skunk
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4313 - 2014-03-27 03:44:18 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


The only real question left is why did we, as a community, wait so long to get a thread going about this?


Because it wasn't an issue until someone with enough puppets decided it should be an issue. The term is manufactured crisis.



I'm of the opinion that is this has been going on for a while and was known about, then this is the answer to "why does Eve remain a niche game?"

You don't need to victimize everybody, just enough people to give everybody an impression.



I'd have to say that the interface, the slow pace of the gameplay, the realtime based skill system (which is a good thing, but typical mmo players don't like delayed gratification), and the PvP focus (again, good thing, but people are pussies) are the real culprits, if you ask me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4314 - 2014-03-27 03:46:20 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.


Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4315 - 2014-03-27 03:50:31 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.


Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it.

m



No worries. We have time to wait. Skill training times and all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Csill Es
Doomheim
#4316 - 2014-03-27 03:50:37 UTC
[quote]
Navi Annages wrote:
Luminous Spirit where are you?

.... ......you can see that E1 is starting to become mentally distressed because of his handicaps.


Nothing new about that, it has been public knowledge!
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#4317 - 2014-03-27 03:55:07 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.


Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it.

m

Best of luck and swiftness in accomplishing this. The community will be much better for it.
Mario Putzo
#4318 - 2014-03-27 03:55:20 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.


Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it.

m


Good thank you Mike! I appreciate the support in keeping the CSM a respectful embodiment of the EVE community.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4319 - 2014-03-27 03:56:04 UTC
Csill Es wrote:
[quote]
Navi Annages wrote:
Luminous Spirit where are you?

.... ......you can see that E1 is starting to become mentally distressed because of his handicaps.


Nothing new about that, it has been public knowledge!



Your mentally distressing me. Please stop torturing me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4320 - 2014-03-27 04:00:06 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.


Well we can have him removed from the CSM but due process and paperwork is gonna take about 6 weeks. I'll get right on it.

m

Best of luck and swiftness in accomplishing this. The community will be much better for it.


Mario Putzo wrote:
Good thank you Mike! I appreciate the support in keeping the CSM a respectful embodiment of the EVE community.



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