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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3941 - 2014-03-26 22:52:36 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Posting kill mails is clearly meant to humiliate the victim, especially in a gank, and the perps don't even ask you if you're ok with them posting your loss.



I sure hope someone picks up that phone.
Because I f**king CALLED IT.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3942 - 2014-03-26 22:52:57 UTC
Upde wrote:
Thus i put it to you, if this recording was done using EVE voice what do you think CCP would have to say about it then.


That's an easy one. There would be a temp ban for racism and a permanent ban + report to the police for the death threats.

Scamming and asking people to voluntarily sing songs is well within the TOS.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#3943 - 2014-03-26 22:53:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
He's a sadistic & really creepy person.



He probably is. What i wonder is in what warped world is creepy and sadistic worse than Racist and willing to Threaten someone's life and family.


Unfortunately most people don't seem to understand this.

The Tears Must Flow
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3944 - 2014-03-26 22:55:13 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Well i pointed out early in this thread what worst case senarios could be if allowed to continue, but seems there are many perverted minds out there that seems to think this is ok.
So lets take it a step further and address another elephant in the room, kids, you know those not legal yet that accually plays this game with us.

How many of those has been experimented on by this group of extortionists? wild guess?
Anyway you wanna swing this, we have them, and this is a game not a social experiment on them.

A group that accually spend their ingame time devicing plans and putting together experiments on how to get people to humiliate themself as much as possible, aint no good for a community and has gone a far way from beeing the average tradehub scammer.

Too bad my English aint good enough to say all the fancy words needed to explain what this group of people is, and further more the total abcense of morale and understanding from E1 and the ilk, is rather disturbing in this context.
But i guess someone with better understanding in the English word can fire that torch for me.

By the way, i must say this must be one of the better treads i`ve followed in a long time.





I will say the words for you.

Online predators who operate like a pedophile ring, luring victims to places where they can emotionally **** and abuse them. And they record this **** and post it on the internet.

BAN>THEM>ALL.


Mmmmhmmmm. Here let me help you with some dark ages material you have going. Any and all witches should be burned no? Science is for the devil because god wills it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6wfJWVCeI

Get off your soap box. Nothing can legally be done. Oh well. Shrug your shoulders and walk away. If CCP needs to change the EULA they will. But unitl E1 breaks the current EULA or a New EULA nothing will happen. If this goes to court then god help Sohkar from staying out of an orange jumpsuit. I'll even pray for him. But pushing this issue to goto court is quite simply wrong. But if it goes that far I hope Sohkar spends time in prison just to prove that LUMINOUS the oh so wise and all knowing is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Lady Areola Fappington
#3945 - 2014-03-26 22:57:14 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:


Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?

Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.



It wouldn't be EULA that gets you, but your countries laws on IP rights, and CCPs willingness to pursue it.

Which, remarkably enough, fits right in with Ero 1. Once you move off of CCP's controlled systems, you leave CCP's "control" via EULA. While I find Ero's actions via the bonus room kinda distasteful, I find the idea of "EULA applies to off-EVE situations" even more scary.

Someone writes an ALOD on your loss, demand CCP take action on the writer. Battle report shows your corp in a bad light, scream for CCP to issue bans.

That's not even considering some of the stupidity people would get up to, if CCP were forced to police third party. I'm sure there are people willing to post this totally true and not at all faked soundcloud of (person they don't like) breaking EULA.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3946 - 2014-03-26 22:58:38 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Upde wrote:
Thus i put it to you, if this recording was done using EVE voice what do you think CCP would have to say about it then.


That's an easy one. There would be a temp ban for racism and a permanent ban + report to the police for the death threats.

Scamming and asking people to voluntarily sing songs is well within the TOS.



have 1000 likes, just gotta buy 996 more accounts 1st.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3947 - 2014-03-26 22:58:44 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:


Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?

Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.



It wouldn't be EULA that gets you, but your countries laws on IP rights, and CCPs willingness to pursue it.

Which, remarkably enough, fits right in with Ero 1. Once you move off of CCP's controlled systems, you leave CCP's "control" via EULA. While I find Ero's actions via the bonus room kinda distasteful, I find the idea of "EULA applies to off-EVE situations" even more scary.

Someone writes an ALOD on your loss, demand CCP take action on the writer. Battle report shows your corp in a bad light, scream for CCP to issue bans.

That's not even considering some of the stupidity people would get up to, if CCP were forced to police third party. I'm sure there are people willing to post this totally true and not at all faked soundcloud of (person they don't like) breaking EULA.


So Extradite them. If Eula breaches have occurred then all parties would need to be brought to Justice. And who is going to pay for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3948 - 2014-03-26 23:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Muestereate wrote:

Erotica sends many female signals in a male processed voice. Every man, gay or straight is socialized to react to gender confusion. gays get excited I guess and straight men get angry. Victim didn't act any different that 96% of world male population does.


So, were you sad when Fred Phelps died?
Does it make you angry that people wanted to picket at his funeral so your church will finally know how it feels?

Also, speak for yourself. I'm straight, and hearing "female signals in a male processed voice" doesn't bother me in the slightest.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3949 - 2014-03-26 23:01:30 UTC
Rikanin wrote:
Uhh Yeah...when the goons start telling you that YOU'VE gone too far that says something pretty bad about what you did....don't ya think?

Apparently him being kicked out of Goonswarm wasn't enough of a hint to most people.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Josef Djugashvilis
#3950 - 2014-03-26 23:01:39 UTC
What Ero did probably has nothing to do with the ToS or the EULA, but a could cause some really negative publicity for CCP.

This is not a signature.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#3951 - 2014-03-26 23:02:18 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
...
Borderline immoral? Morality is whatever religious or moral text you choose to believe in. If it ain't illegal then the legit term here is "Get Bent"


*SIGH*
You really want to have common sense and morality covered by laws?
Either disingenuous or naive. There's miles of cruelty and misery not covered by laws.
Stop pushing the 'Legislate for common sense or gtfo' button, it has never worked.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3952 - 2014-03-26 23:02:27 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Upde wrote:
Thus i put it to you, if this recording was done using EVE voice what do you think CCP would have to say about it then.


That's an easy one. There would be a temp ban for racism and a permanent ban + report to the police for the death threats.

Scamming and asking people to voluntarily sing songs is well within the TOS.



With that I think we have come to a conclusion on this thread.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3953 - 2014-03-26 23:02:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
He's a sadistic & really creepy person.



He probably is. What i wonder is in what warped world is creepy and sadistic worse than Racist and willing to Threaten someone's life and family.


Nevermind the part where he & several other people did their best over two hours to illicit this exact response. You seem to be justifying the act with the result, which was clearly intended.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#3954 - 2014-03-26 23:03:38 UTC
Muestereate wrote:

Erotica sends many female signals in a male processed voice. Every man, gay or straight is socialized to react to gender confusion. gays get excited I guess and straight men get angry. Victim didn't act any different that 96% of world male population does.


Darnit, missed THAT gem!

So, you are saying that Erotica1 sends out female signals which would make 96% (<- source please) of the world straight male population go on a racist/anti-gay rant AND make gay people exited in some way?

Boy oh boy, this is what people defending bigots look like than....

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3955 - 2014-03-26 23:04:03 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
...
Borderline immoral? Morality is whatever religious or moral text you choose to believe in. If it ain't illegal then the legit term here is "Get Bent"


*SIGH*
You really want to have common sense and morality covered by laws?
Either disingenuous or naive. There's miles of cruelty and misery not covered by laws.
Stop pushing the 'Legislate for common sense or gtfo' button, it has never worked.





erm, Chop, I think you read that out of context perhaps....
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
#3956 - 2014-03-26 23:04:18 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I am not perverted because I find it funny when stupid people driven by greed sing songs, read text or even spread mayo on their body or whatever.

I would be a pretty sick puppy if I'd condone racism, gay bashing or swearing and getting angry over internet anything.
Which camp are you in again?

D.

Bear


i like fun as much as anyone, but theres a line between sick and fun. this is nothing the victim can look back to and have a laugh about in a week or two..

Anyway you look at this, and how he got taunted and led into this social experiment leaves him as a victim of a brutally executed plan.

And its pretty common knowledge that people in panic do and say uncontrolled things..
Katkon Darnok
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3957 - 2014-03-26 23:04:28 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Katkon Darnok wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Abla Tive wrote:
Hours of humiliation is clearly abuse.

Abuse is clearly against the terms of service.

Violation of terms of service is legitimate grounds for banning.

Where is the confusion?


The Eula for the millionth time states "in the game" not outside the game in ts3 mumble vent facechat ect ect ect. Which part are you unsure of?


Technically, the EULA gives CCP the freedom to ban pretty much whomever they please for "inappropriate conduct". If you read it carefully it DOES state the following....

"CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct."

... And while it DOES list specific behavior-related banable offences, it doesn't state that these are the ONLY banable offences. They absolutely have the right per EULA, and - quite frankly - as a business. And no court of law would revolt against a ban in this instance. While the offense in question didn't happen "in" EVE, it 100% revolved around EVE and even involved transfer/APIs "in-game" DURING the bonus around. Any "reasonable" person would suggest that E1 attempted to explicitly avoid EULA knowing that the bonus round, as managed here, was a violation of terms and conditions. I think he even stated this explicitly.

This is not a EULA issue, it's an ethics issue.


Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?

Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.


You may have strived for simplicity, but you achieved complexity - and irrelevance. CCP can ban you for anything they deem inappropriate conduct. They can do this irrespective of where you live. I'm not sure what that has to do with printing t-shirts or making model ships. And we all know that this won't end up in court - neither party would want anyone to know who they really are, or have to explain why their actions/words were justified to a jury of their peers, or to foot the legal bills associated with a court case. So just drop the whole felony charge line of argumentation - it's irrelevant.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#3958 - 2014-03-26 23:04:48 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sentamon wrote:

Posting kill mails is clearly meant to humiliate the victim, especially in a gank, and the perps don't even ask you if you're ok with them posting your loss.



I sure hope someone picks up that phone.
Because I f**king CALLED IT.


Hard to make it last two hours though, and few people do it over and over for months on end.
That would be creepy.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#3959 - 2014-03-26 23:05:07 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
What Ero did probably has nothing to do with the ToS or the EULA, but a could cause some really negative publicity for CCP.


No, it's the other way around, CCP will get alot of new "good" players, this is EvE Online not some childish two digit-iq themepark carebear game.

The Tears Must Flow
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3960 - 2014-03-26 23:05:26 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
...
Borderline immoral? Morality is whatever religious or moral text you choose to believe in. If it ain't illegal then the legit term here is "Get Bent"


*SIGH*
You really want to have common sense and morality covered by laws?
Either disingenuous or naive. There's miles of cruelty and misery not covered by laws.
Stop pushing the 'Legislate for common sense or gtfo' button, it has never worked.





So if your saying that this falls under now laws or EULA then why are we still debating? No laws have been broken. No EULA breached. It's another EVE day like usual. The system hasn't collapsed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU