EVE General Discussion

Yup. Having your greed played on by the most well known scammer in Eve online - our victim should have learned from this experience. Having your greed played on to the point where you read boring walls of text and sing silly songs? Silly, our victim should now know how easy it is to take advantage of people by playing on their greed.

Responding to all of this with homophobic rants and racial slurs? No excuse. A sign of a truly sick mind and an awful human being. Sometimes only when under stress will the true colors of a human being come to the surface, and I feel this may be one of the most dramatic examples of this I have ever personally witnessed.

then why care about the threats and slurs to begin with, the guy is just trying to live in the land of beauty in the nest in the tree of trust, no?

Dear Jenn Awhine, as usual you miss the point, it is not the scamming which was the problem but the making fun of a person's speech impediment which was taking things too far.

Still, Jenn, you gotta sound tough all the time, or you would lose face with the hard-man trolls in the game.

Well, that's it for me, it's late in the evening and there's work to be done tomorrow.
There's very little that I can discuss with the people defending Erotica 1, since they refuse to see how Sokhar was humiliated.



I find Erotica 1's actions to be disgusting, according to my own moral compass.
I would never associate with such a man, and I'm frightened by the perspective of meeting someon like him "IRL".


I find Sokhar's reaction to be extreme (and reprehensible), but less so than E1's actions, given that:
1) It was the result of two hours of provocation and humiliation
2) It was the specific goal that Erotica 1 aimed to reach


I find that this kind of episodes are detrimental to EVE's health and reputation, and that they are not comparable to episodes such as the GHSC heist, given that they do not rely on gameplay mechanics.



I've made my points; each of you is fully entitled to his own opinion.

See you all tomorrow.

Giving the section in question a second listen, it seemed to me like E1 was quite suprised when the death threats and nbombs started dropping. In fact, our "victim" surprised me with this - and lost any sympathy he could have gotten from me in the first place.

eh ?



No - its mild hazing linked to a fake virtual identify, an identity that the owner can leave if he is sufficiently embarrassed about (by selling character and buying a new one), without even leaving the game, and which the victim could have ended more than an hour before he did.

Serious cyber bullying involves the real name of the target, and can reach as far as publishing identified naked pictures or sex ideos and whatnot and allows bullying to chase a victim into a new city, new career, post school life etc, none of which will ever be a consequence of this.

Erotica sends many female signals in a male processed voice. Every man, gay or straight is socialized to react to gender confusion. gays get excited I guess and straight men get angry. Victim didn't act any different that 96% of world male population does.

Technically, the EULA gives CCP the freedom to ban pretty much whomever they please for "inappropriate conduct". If you read it carefully it DOES state the following....

"CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct."

... And while it DOES list specific behavior-related banable offences, it doesn't state that these are the ONLY banable offences. They absolutely have the right per EULA, and - quite frankly - as a business. And no court of law would revolt against a ban in this instance. While the offense in question didn't happen "in" EVE, it 100% revolved around EVE and even involved transfer/APIs "in-game" DURING the bonus around. Any "reasonable" person would suggest that E1 attempted to explicitly avoid EULA knowing that the bonus round, as managed here, was a violation of terms and conditions. I think he even stated this explicitly.

This is not a EULA issue, it's an ethics issue.

Urgh.
The last post, I swear to myself.

He didn't expect that degree of aggressivity; that disgusted me, too.
Again, rage brings out the worst of us, and that's what we see, in this case.

But his ultimate goal was to provoke an emotional reaction ("harvest tears"?) , and that's what he obtained.

You know sometimes I do a quick awox on a corp & they threaten to cut my throat while I'm asleep. Other times I do a quick 20 minute scam for all of their assets & isk & they want to box me when they realise what happened 4 days later. I tend to just let this go & think nothing of it because it's a heat of the moment thing & never produces any results. Here's the problem I have with Erotica1: He's a sadistic & really creepy person.

It's one thing to do a quick thing for profit & leave them wondering what the hell just happened, but it's quite another to do the kind of crap you do to people over the course of several hours.

Would you like to know more?