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Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3361 - 2014-03-26 18:43:43 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ripard Teg should be banned for harassing both Erotica 1 and Sohkar for personal gain by increasing net traffic to his blog.



I don't think this is possible but its obvious his agent's are murking in the shadows on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
David Kir
Hotbirds
#3362 - 2014-03-26 18:44:57 UTC
Brusanan wrote:
David Kir wrote:
There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.

No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along.


This kind of behaviour is considered immoral, however.
And that's relevant.

People don't want to play a game that exposes them to this kind of behaviour.
They won't even try it.

And that's what bothers me.
That a few players like E1 can give EVE such a bad reputation.

This isn't GHSC infiltrating a corporation and pulling off a massive heist.
This doesn't make for good advertisement material.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3363 - 2014-03-26 18:45:26 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


And you base this on the fact that you don't like something and a blog you half understood.

I've scammed people in Eve Online, but because you disagree with my style of game-play I'm automatically an IRL criminal?

So, you're argument, essentially, would allow me to think of you as a real-life pedophile, rapist, online predator, pimp, terrorist, and/or drug dealers if I didn't like your style of game-play. Alright, you do some J-space and Nullsec stuff... I think that makes you a an IRL terrorist. I'm calling the space FBI on you!!!!1111oneone.


Need more 1's.

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Good teamwork. High five's all round.

Blink

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#3364 - 2014-03-26 18:45:32 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Lastly, I think E1 should remove himself from consideration for the CSM

The CSM thing is just for attention and to promote his scams. This guy is never going to release his RL name to this community where he can be tracked down and have his personal life tied to his relatively anonymous online behavior.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
stoicfaux
#3365 - 2014-03-26 18:45:48 UTC
Since I'm onto analogies:

Game shows are known for humiliating or otherwise embarrassing contestants, which is fine if the contestants know what they're getting into. The more extreme the humiliation/pressure, the better the ratings.

However, if a contestant were to completely break down and start screaming obscenities and engaging in unpleasantries, how many game shows would still air that episode? More importantly, why would a game show censor themselves like that? The answer is normally "community standards", i.e. society has ideas about how much humiliation is too much, and the game show is aware of that.


In that light, should Erotica1 have published that particular bonus room?


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3366 - 2014-03-26 18:45:53 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


Your attempts to connect E1's behavior with pedophilia, rapists, prostitution, terrorism, and substance abuse issues are the very definition of a straw man argument, and also say a lot about your maturity and ability to discuss complex issues without resorting to mud slinging and childish analogies.

We're not talking about some made up "axis" you have decided on, we are discussing one specific person and one very specific action they took.

Try to keep up. The adults are talking.


Actually, what he is doing is actually Cyberbullying Erotica 1. But I guess in the minds of the White Knights, the ends justify the means...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3367 - 2014-03-26 18:46:14 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Brusanan wrote:
David Kir wrote:
There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.

No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along.


This kind of behaviour is considered immoral, however.
And that's relevant.

People don't want to play a game that exposes them to this kind of behaviour.
They won't even try it.

And that's what bothers me.
That a few players like E1 can give EVE such a bad reputation.

This isn't GHSC infiltrating a corporation and pulling off a massive heist.
This doesn't make for good advertisement material.


Sure it doesn't. But no Eula violation means no nada. And so what if E1 gets banned today. E2 will pop up tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3368 - 2014-03-26 18:46:32 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:


That recording is truly awful and if it evokes such a primal response Eve players (arguably a harder bunch than average) imagine it in the hands of a politician that wants to add restrictions to gaming, mother's being asked for their cc# so a new guy can make an account etc.etc.




You're talking about the truly awful behavior of Sohkar, right? Death threats, racist comments, etcetc.

...right?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3369 - 2014-03-26 18:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Xuixien wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.


No, it didn't.

It stopped being covered completely by the EULA, but at no point ever did it stop being within the context of EVE Online.


It's like saying we can sell ingame items, as long as me do the transaction out of game, because what happens out of game don't break the eula.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3370 - 2014-03-26 18:47:31 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
dexington wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
This was not bullying. Asking someone to read the code, wikipedia and sing two songs is not bullying.


While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.


It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.


No, it didn't.

It stopped being covered completely by the EULA, but at no point ever did it stop being within the context of EVE Online.


Context means nothing. Insert wow rift COD ect ect ect instead of eve and what do you have? Same scenerio Death threats ect ect ect. Keep standing up for the racist its ok. I personally want to see him in jail too.

Riptar for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in jail.


Context means everything. We're not talking about WoW, so it's irrelevant.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3371 - 2014-03-26 18:48:15 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Since I'm onto analogies:

Game shows are known for humiliating or otherwise embarrassing contestants, which is fine if the contestants know what they're getting into. The more extreme the humiliation/pressure, the better the ratings.

However, if a contestant were to completely break down and start screaming obscenities and engaging in unpleasantries, how many game shows would still air that episode? More importantly, why would a game show censor themselves like that? The answer is normally "community standards", i.e. society has ideas about how much humiliation is too much, and the game show is aware of that.


In that light, should Erotica1 have published that particular bonus room?




Funny thing is, the last Bonus Room that way posted to Minerbumping ended quite amicably, with Nikul Naath holding composure solidly.

But we only use fringe cases here in GD.

Not complete studies.

Don't ask me why. vOv

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3372 - 2014-03-26 18:48:50 UTC
dexington wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
It stopped being covered completely by the EULA, but at no point ever did it stop being within the context of EVE Online.


It's like saying we can sell ingame items, as long as me do the transaction out of game, because what happens out of game don't break the eula.


Oh you mean RMT? Oh yeah sure, according to these White Knights, the EULA doesn't apply outside of EVE, only international law or w/e, so you're in fact free to RMT cuz the EULA doesn't apply.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Mario Putzo
#3373 - 2014-03-26 18:49:02 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ripard Teg should be banned for harassing both Erotica 1 and Sohkar for personal gain by increasing net traffic to his blog.



I don't think this is possible but its obvious his agent's are murking in the shadows on this thread.


As a CSM he is way out of line. He is a representative of CCP and has taken an internal matter of CCP's and put it on public display, and continues to update it even after CCP has said they are investigating the matter internally.

This clear harassment is in direct violation of not only CCPs EULA, but also many international Harassment Laws. As a CSM member, and representative of CCP, Ripard is way out of line.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3374 - 2014-03-26 18:50:02 UTC


Context means everything. We're not talking about WoW, so it's irrelevant.
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Chief your missing the point. The game does not matter. The context is what is more serious. Laughs at another expense or death threats?

Death Threats are felony offenses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3375 - 2014-03-26 18:50:20 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


no. something is either ethical, or it isn't.


I beg to differ.

Accidentally killing a dog isn't ethically regarded in the same way in which accidentally killing a man is.

Depending on the culture, the only ethical consideration for killing the dog was whether it was tender enough to provide a good meal for the money charged.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3376 - 2014-03-26 18:50:43 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:


Funny thing is, the last Bonus Room that way posted to Minerbumping ended quite amicably, with Nikul Naath holding composure solidly.

But we only use fringe cases here in GD.

Not complete studies.

Don't ask me why. vOv


Because here in GD, we use completely accurate cross-sections of people, hence the White Knights journey through HIGH-SEC to gain supporters....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#3377 - 2014-03-26 18:51:01 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
As a CSM he is way out of line. He is a representative of CCP and has taken an internal matter of CCP's and put it on public display, and continues to update it even after CCP has said they are investigating the matter internally.

This clear harassment is in direct violation of not only CCPs EULA, but also many international Harassment Laws. As a CSM member, and representative of CCP, Ripard is way out of line.

Please tell me this is a troll, because most of your posts are quite intelligent.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#3378 - 2014-03-26 18:51:11 UTC
not everyone supporting erotica1 is wrong. that for sure.

but i can say Navi Annages is the lowest of the low here. wanting to see someone jailed. if it wasnt so sad id laugh hard.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3379 - 2014-03-26 18:51:40 UTC
Things are getting a little wacky again. Let's see if we can rein it in a bit with a simple question.

Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations?

Mr Epeen Cool
Brusanan
Free State Project
#3380 - 2014-03-26 18:51:40 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Brusanan wrote:
David Kir wrote:
There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.

No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along.


This kind of behaviour is considered immoral, however.
And that's relevant.

People don't want to play a game that exposes them to this kind of behaviour.
They won't even try it.

And that's what bothers me.
That a few players like E1 can give EVE such a bad reputation.

This isn't GHSC infiltrating a corporation and pulling off a massive heist.
This doesn't make for good advertisement material.

People don't want to play a game that exposes them to immoral behavior? So you speak for all of us now?