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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3321 - 2014-03-26 18:33:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
So really, you think CCP cares?


of course they care. do they care enough to bend to the pressure of whiners and carebears? depends where they see their future revenue coming from, i guess.


I guess if CCP wants to go the way of all the other themepark MMOs, they'll bend to that pressure.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3322 - 2014-03-26 18:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Navi Annages
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


There called tools. Ethics has nothing to do with it. Go console yourself with whichever religious text makes you at peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3323 - 2014-03-26 18:34:13 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


Proof?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Lady Areola Fappington
#3324 - 2014-03-26 18:34:35 UTC
So, here's my question for the "E1 should be banned!" crowd. Lets say CCP does just that, and bans Ero from EVE. It would be safe to say, at that point, that what you say in third-party comm systems now counts as part of Eve. Where, at that point, do we draw a line?

Lets take my personal bugbear, GLBT and womens rights. The EVE community can be, quite frankly, ugly towards GLBT people. From something as simple as "OMG U R A (insert derogatory term for homosexual), to malicious attacks on transgender people for "lying about being a girl!". I see those acts as waaaay more "cyberbully" than Ero 1.

So, would it be OK for me to demand CCP take action on a person who says "That fit is gay!" on Battleclinic? What about the guy who says on teamspeak "LOL get in the kitchen!" to a female corpie? GLBT/womens rights in gaming is a hot-ticket thing right now, you know. EVE would get a reputation if word got out. The gaming media would have a field day!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Dave Stark
#3325 - 2014-03-26 18:34:36 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


no. something is either ethical, or it isn't.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3326 - 2014-03-26 18:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.
I've never met any of the groups you describe in Eve. Once again you're trivialising the foulness of those crimes by comparing them to the loss of some internet spaceship stuff.

Have you considered a career in tabloid journalism or politics? They love, nay embrace people like you, who are willing to misrepresent and twist things for their own agenda. I suggest contacting Rupert Murdoch, you'll fit right into his little empire of lies and deceit. Be sure to link this thread or Ripards blog, he's probably the only person you haven't reported it to in your little moral crusade/ witch hunt.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#3327 - 2014-03-26 18:34:46 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


unethical is a relative understanding. just like good and bad.

unethical is a understanding misused by both sides to prove their own superiority and correctness.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#3328 - 2014-03-26 18:35:10 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:


There called tools. Ethics has nothing to do with it.


What?

I'm not a native english speaker, I can't speak from a position of authority, but that makes very little sense.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Mario Putzo
#3329 - 2014-03-26 18:35:13 UTC
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:

oh and please dont say i have to make a declaration myself at the police. all that will happen is that a paper is putted beneath 10000 others.<---------------------------------------- this


Right but did you go to the cops? If you didn't then what do you expect them to do about it? CCP doesn't have the authority to mandate Laws. You have to go to an authority to do that. If you didn't then the comparison is incredibly weak.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3330 - 2014-03-26 18:35:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
This was not bullying. Asking someone to read the code, wikipedia and sing two songs is not bullying.


While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3331 - 2014-03-26 18:35:58 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


Ok.

So do you have substantial evidence of any one of those involved in the Bonus Round:

Raping someone?

Hurting children?

Pimping out women?

Engaging in legitimate terrorist activity?

Dealing drugs?

If so, then by all means, spill the beans.

I would love to laugh in your face when you get to my criminal record.

Non-existence.

Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Dave Stark
#3332 - 2014-03-26 18:36:04 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
So really, you think CCP cares?


of course they care. do they care enough to bend to the pressure of whiners and carebears? depends where they see their future revenue coming from, i guess.


I guess if CCP wants to go the way of all the other themepark MMOs, they'll bend to that pressure.


part of me wouldn't blame them for bending. WoW at it's peak had 10m subscribers. every man has their price, question is... is 10m subscribers enough to pay hilmar's price?
Big Lynx
#3333 - 2014-03-26 18:36:21 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I have been playing this game for many many years now, and have never really been comfortable with the whole scamming thing. I think it spoils the game and actually drives people away. Scamming as become so prevalent in Eve its over taken the good aspects of it. Look at jita every single post in chat is a scam.

I dont like the fact that goonswarm do this constantly to a point its part of their culture, and sometimes the way they do it is a little creepy and weird and wrong.

But this is a whole new level, and its just not about a scam, its cyber bullying, torture at is very worse. I am sure this is certainly not the first case of this and its happening to others by other eve players.

You can hear from the start where this was going, and Erotica1 sounds really creepy tbh. They carried on for 2 hours, even when they knew the guy was getting upset, this is when you stop. Actually it should of never started.

This is for me the real darkside of eve, and where scamming takes it past gameplay. I have never played or seen a game that allows this to happen, or even breeds that type of person. The very idea of scamming has created these people, and CCP certainly has to take brunt of the blame for this as they endorse this type of behavior, but its gone a a step too far. as stated I am sure there are many Erotica1s lurking about.

This is just not scamming, its parasidic and morally wrong. Personally i would of called the police and given them the recording as people are now getting prosecuted for this type of thing. What gets me most is that there have been a few cases on twitter etc where people have committed suicide because of people like this. What if this guy did?

CCP has a duty just like twitter and others to protect its users.

However being a veteran player of this game, even after the time an investment i have made, every moral fibre in me is twitching. I am now seriously thinking do i want to pay, play or be a part of this game, ccp and its community if this is something that is happening to people. I certainly do not want to be associated with an organisation or game that endorses such actions and game play anymore.
stoicfaux
#3334 - 2014-03-26 18:36:22 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:

That's interesting. Let's monopolize on how to limit how much sand is in the sandbox.

And what do you do with someone who is kicking sand out of the sandbox and into nearby people's faces? Which is the whole crux of the discussion. Who, if anyone, is responsible for the sand once it leaves the sandbox?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#3335 - 2014-03-26 18:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Higgs Foton
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Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3336 - 2014-03-26 18:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alp Khan
Erotica 1 wrote:
So here's a thought, and bear with me on this.

Corp thefts.

What are your thoughts on intentionally lying to someone/building their trust over days, weeks, months for the sole purpose of stealing everything possible? During this time, much personal real-life information is likely shared as people talk about the kids, pets, jobs etc.

I have always liked the idea of these, but simply cannot bring myself to do it. This is how I acquired KOP. After a short time, I fessed up to the founder, we had a good laugh, and I went out of my way to request no roles whatsoever. Now, eventually I was handed the keys to the kingdom, but simply an empty shell corp. I know a number of guys who have concerns over the depth of the bonus rounds yet engage in this type of activity quite regularly. They are my EVE friends and we simply have disagreements on certain things.

Now, we all know corp thefts/awoxes/safaris have been widely celebrated in EVE for much longer than I have been playing.

We also know that Teamspeak and other comms are used to facilitate this pixel thievery.

What about the people that are legitimate friends and just decide to walk off with everything, backstabbing friends?

This my friends, is the huge can of worms that is literally being opened in this thread.

*edit* I should add that I absolutely cringe when I see real life stuff in the evemail apis. On the handful of times this has happened, I tell the clients to delete it, keep it out of game, and if I ever find that an escrow agent does anything whatsoever with it, I will have nothing to do with them, period. EVEmail APIs should be removed from EVE or at the bare minimum moved to a completely separate authorization page.


What you are saying here is not serving any other purpose than muddying the waters for saving your own skin.

You applied every psychological torture technique out there that you could have used over the Internet, on your victim, after netting him out from EVE online, and having already stolen his assets.

You did that for your own pleasure and amusement.

Mentally healthy people do not actually torture other people in real life.

This is not about scamming. Nobody cares about that. This is about you, abusing people you've singled out from EVE online in real life for your own, personal, deranged and ill pleasure. You and your band of similarly mentally ill torturers joined you in that conversation to apply every enhanced interrogation technique I can think of and dare I say, even can find on a 2006 copy of United States Army Field Manual 34-52 on Intelligence Interrogation. Difference is of course, there was no intelligence to be gathered from torturing this victim, nor there were any assets that you could have scammed as you already have accomplished that before you started to torture him.

Your behavior is a disgusting mark of disgrace upon this community, and you should be contacting a mental health care professional as soon as possible to receive proper guidance and treatment.

And let me state this very clear, I for one am very glad that you were forced out of GSF for the reasons stated above. I would very much like to see you be purged from EVE community as well either on a permanent basis or until a time that a mental health care professional can certify you to be rehabilitated and reformed.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3337 - 2014-03-26 18:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
stoicfaux wrote:

There are things that can be done or limits set that don't requiring banning and/or making everyone live in a padded cell.

And I fully support those things. 100%.

However, that's not what half (or more) of the people and posts in this thread are seeking. They are seeking a ban where no rules were broken based on subjective feelings alone. And I oppose that.

This is a witch hunt, pure and simple.
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#3338 - 2014-03-26 18:36:51 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
How ironic that Erotica1's supporters are all crying foul over Jester's blog and using derogatory phrases to describe those that feel strongly that the "Bonus Room" is one step too far. Is this thread, and the original Jester's blog post, Erotica'1's very own Bonus Room where she is the "victim"? EVE is real and there will be consequences, as the tag lines keep telling us ..... the spot light is now on you and your previous actions Erotica1 & co. I guess it doesn't feel so comfortable in the limelight, eh?

I can only talk for me, but as one of Erotica 1's supporters I would have no problem if you told her you come after her in the game, destroy and steal all hear pixel spaceships and pod her back to alpha clone. That's the game, and even content like Erotica 1's space game show is part of it.

It is the real life threads, the FBI tips, the call for the banhammer when no EULA/TOS rule was broken, just because something is distasteful in their opinion. That makes me cry foul.

I hope you realize that if CCP sticks to the EULA/TOS it is far more likely that Ripart's lynch mob will be removed from the game and not Erotica 1 and friends.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#3339 - 2014-03-26 18:36:53 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


no. something is either ethical, or it isn't.


I beg to differ.

Accidentally killing a dog isn't ethically regarded in the same way in which accidentally killing a man is.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#3340 - 2014-03-26 18:36:54 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Dude, people have DIED playing wow. Does it therefore follow that WoW should be banned from the civilized world?

Where did I say anything about banning?

PotatoOverdose wrote:
You cannot calibrate a social structure based on the response of the mentally unstable outliers. If you did, all of society would live in a padded cell.

This isn't a social structure. It is a video game. One that Erotica1 uses to manipulate people until they breakdown. Then he promotes their humiliation.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays