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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#3301 - 2014-03-26 18:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
So here's a thought, and bear with me on this.

Corp thefts.

What are your thoughts on intentionally lying to someone/building their trust over days, weeks, months for the sole purpose of stealing everything possible? During this time, much personal real-life information is likely shared as people talk about the kids, pets, jobs etc.

I have always liked the idea of these, but simply cannot bring myself to do it. This is how I acquired KOP. After a short time, I fessed up to the founder, we had a good laugh, and I went out of my way to request no roles whatsoever. Now, eventually I was handed the keys to the kingdom, but simply an empty shell corp. I know a number of guys who have concerns over the depth of the bonus rounds yet engage in this type of activity quite regularly. They are my EVE friends and we simply have disagreements on certain things.

Now, we all know corp thefts/awoxes/safaris have been widely celebrated in EVE for much longer than I have been playing.

We also know that Teamspeak and other comms are used to facilitate this pixel thievery.

What about the people that are legitimate friends and just decide to walk off with everything, backstabbing friends?

This my friends, is the huge can of worms that is literally being opened in this thread.

*edit* I should add that I absolutely cringe when I see real life stuff in the evemail apis. On the handful of times this has happened, I tell the clients to delete it, keep it out of game, and if I ever find that an escrow agent does anything whatsoever with it, I will have nothing to do with them, period. EVEmail APIs should be removed from EVE or at the bare minimum moved to a completely separate authorization page.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3302 - 2014-03-26 18:26:18 UTC
At this point I still see no "White Knights" trying to do right by Sohkar.

The posts are still FRY the Wtich. Fry the Witch.

Fine.

Fry EROTICA 1.

Make Riptar Teg CSM.

Sohkar goes to prison end of story. <------If any of you continue to leave this out of your future posts your simply on a witch hunt against E1. Remember hands down Death Threats are felony charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3303 - 2014-03-26 18:26:46 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:


Can never be too careful, Xui. I am afraid to log in and go gank some miners because, well y'know...

::cyberbullying::

Roll


Oh god! Should I start sending apology letters to all those poor AFK freighter pilots?!?!?!?!



Never know.

CSM member might hunt you down and burn you at the stake if you don't.

We know they certainly won't publish things based on factual evidence, lol.

Like I said in my first post on the thread....

What a ******* joke.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Dave stark
#3304 - 2014-03-26 18:26:50 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
So really, you think CCP cares?


of course they care. do they care enough to bend to the pressure of whiners and carebears? depends where they see their future revenue coming from, i guess.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#3305 - 2014-03-26 18:27:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
David Kir wrote:


I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.


Got any evidence for that?

Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage.


I joined EVE because of the danger, too.

But that's irrelevant.

We aren't talking about "scamming, looting and pillaging".
We aren't talking about "da rulez", either.


We're talking about unethical behaviour, and the reputation deriving from it.


Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3306 - 2014-03-26 18:28:34 UTC
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Riptar Teg for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in a orange jumpsuit.

Oh btw why is it that

LUMINOUS SPIRIT

and

Salvos Rhoska

both stop posting at the same time? I wonder could they be the same person???

RIPTAR TEG FOR CSM!!!! at the expense of SOHKAR's family and Sohkar's jail time.


Death Threats = Jail Time.


i got threatened too. in game. the guy who did this got banned for a while, but came back. why didnt he went to jail ? explain please.

oh and please dont say i have to make a declaration myself at the police. all that will happen is that a paper is putted beneath 10000 others.



But this occurred out of game. Outside fictional laws and into RL laws. Jail time will be served for death threats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3307 - 2014-03-26 18:28:46 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
EVE gains in subs each year.

And the people crying over this are likely the same ones who whine and quit over getting ganked.

So really, you think CCP cares?


This was the point I made when this thread was fresh, back when the White Knights wanted everyone to cancel subs and state Ero as the reason in hopes that CCP changes policies.

If CCP really listened to all the QQ threads and reasons people post in the Unsub forms..then ganking, scams, piracy, wardecs, PvP, and the Eve Servers themselves would have been removed LONG AGO.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3308 - 2014-03-26 18:28:47 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
So here's a thought, and bear with me on this.

Corp thefts.

What are your thoughts on intentionally lying to someone/building their trust over days, weeks, months for the sole purpose of stealing everything possible? During this time, much personal real-life information is likely shared as people talk about the kids, pets, jobs etc.

I have always liked the idea of these, but simply cannot bring myself to do it. This is how I acquired KOP. After a short time, I fessed up to the founder, we had a good laugh, and I went out of my way to request no roles whatsoever. Now, eventually I was handed the keys to the kingdom, but simply an empty shell corp. I know a number of guys who have concerns over the depth of the bonus rounds yet engage in this type of activity quite regularly. They are my EVE friends and we simply have disagreements on certain things.

Now, we all know corp thefts/awoxes/safaris have been widely celebrated in EVE for much longer than I have been playing.

We also know that Teamspeak and other comms are used to facilitate this pixel thievery.

What about the people that are legitimate friends and just decide to walk off with everything, backstabbing friends?

This my friends, is the huge can of worms that is literally being opened in this thread.


Indeed it is.

Unsuccessful and I have already deduced that Ripard is using this to implement his vision upon us.

Pillow Fights Online.

Yay!!!!! \o/

Shocked

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Brusanan
Free State Project
#3309 - 2014-03-26 18:28:58 UTC
David Kir wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
David Kir wrote:


I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.


Got any evidence for that?

Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage.


I joined EVE because of the danger, too.

But that's irrelevant.

We aren't talking about "scamming, looting and pillaging".
We aren't talking about "da rulez", either.


We're talking about unethical behaviour, and the reputation deriving from it.

Eve is a game that is notorious for unethical behavior. It thrives on it. Your ethics have no place in my Eve.
stoicfaux
#3310 - 2014-03-26 18:29:21 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Dude, people have DIED playing wow. Does it therefore follow that WoW should be banned from the civilized world?

You cannot calibrate a social structure based on the response of the mentally unstable outliers. If you did, all of society would live in a padded cell.

Did you read your own link? Big smile
"Meanwhile, 7 major domestic game makers have agreed to install an anti-obsession system on eleven online game products."

There are things that can be done or limits set that don't requiring banning and/or making everyone live in a padded cell. We could make cars safe by limiting their speed to 5 mph (8kph) and building them like a tank, but we don't. We do however, have speed limits, mandatory safety equipment, mandatory child seat requirements, etc..

No one is arguing that laws were violated (well no one with half an idea of how the world works.) It's more about what "speed limit" should be set, if any, by CCP (and the EVE playerbase) and what penalties to apply when people break those speed limits and under what circumstances (e.g. school zones.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Mario Putzo
#3311 - 2014-03-26 18:29:36 UTC
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Riptar Teg for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in a orange jumpsuit.

Oh btw why is it that

LUMINOUS SPIRIT

and

Salvos Rhoska

both stop posting at the same time? I wonder could they be the same person???

RIPTAR TEG FOR CSM!!!! at the expense of SOHKAR's family and Sohkar's jail time.


Death Threats = Jail Time.


i got threatened too. in game. the guy who did this got banned for a while, but came back. why didnt he went to jail ? explain please.

oh and please dont say i have to make a declaration myself at the police. all that will happen is that a paper is putted beneath 10000 others.



Did you go to the cops? CCP doesn't have to file a report to the police, you do.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3312 - 2014-03-26 18:29:56 UTC
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.
Dave stark
#3313 - 2014-03-26 18:30:18 UTC
David Kir wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
David Kir wrote:


I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.


Got any evidence for that?

Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage.


I joined EVE because of the danger, too.

But that's irrelevant.

We aren't talking about "scamming, looting and pillaging".
We aren't talking about "da rulez", either.


We're talking about unethical behaviour, and the reputation deriving from it.




except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3314 - 2014-03-26 18:30:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:

Dude, people have DIED playing wow. Does it therefore follow that WoW should be banned from the civilized world?

You cannot calibrate a social structure based on the response of the mentally unstable outliers. If you did, all of society would live in a padded cell.

Did you read your own link? Big smile
"Meanwhile, 7 major domestic game makers have agreed to install an anti-obsession system on eleven online game products."

There are things that can be done or limits set that don't requiring banning and/or making everyone live in a padded cell. We could make cars safe by limiting their speed to 5 mph (8kph) and building them like a tank, but we don't. We do however, have speed limits, mandatory safety equipment, mandatory child seat requirements, etc..

No one is arguing that laws were violated (well no one with half an idea of how the world works.) It's more about what "speed limit" should be set, if any, by CCP (and the EVE playerbase) and what penalties to apply when people break those speed limits and under what circumstances (e.g. school zones.)


That's interesting. Let's monopolize on how to limit how much sand is in the sandbox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3315 - 2014-03-26 18:31:30 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


It has a place for you so you must fit into one of the above categories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU

David Kir
Hotbirds
#3316 - 2014-03-26 18:31:37 UTC
Brusanan wrote:
David Kir wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
David Kir wrote:


I don't think so.

But don't care about that.
I care about the fact that people like E1 actively drive away new players.


Got any evidence for that?

Personally I joined EVE because of its freedom to scam, loot and pillage.


I joined EVE because of the danger, too.

But that's irrelevant.

We aren't talking about "scamming, looting and pillaging".
We aren't talking about "da rulez", either.


We're talking about unethical behaviour, and the reputation deriving from it.

Eve is a game that is notorious for unethical behavior. It thrives on it. Your ethics have no place in my Eve.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Dave stark
#3317 - 2014-03-26 18:31:42 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


actually, eve online has a place for everyone from all walks of life provided they don't break the tos/eula while playing the game.

your prejudices towards certain demographics are irrelevant.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#3318 - 2014-03-26 18:31:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
If a few hours spend reading the code and singing two songs is enough for someone to commit suicide then they had much bigger issues than what what E1 did.

All it takes is someone to give the last push.

baltec1 wrote:
This isnt going to happen.

Since you can see the future, would you mind picking some lotto numbers for us?

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays

David Kir
Hotbirds
#3319 - 2014-03-26 18:32:30 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#3320 - 2014-03-26 18:32:41 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Riptar Teg for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in a orange jumpsuit.

Oh btw why is it that

LUMINOUS SPIRIT

and

Salvos Rhoska

both stop posting at the same time? I wonder could they be the same person???

RIPTAR TEG FOR CSM!!!! at the expense of SOHKAR's family and Sohkar's jail time.


Death Threats = Jail Time.


i got threatened too. in game. the guy who did this got banned for a while, but came back. why didnt he went to jail ? explain please.

oh and please dont say i have to make a declaration myself at the police. all that will happen is that a paper is putted beneath 10000 others.



Did you go to the cops? CCP doesn't have to file a report to the police, you do.


did you read what i actually said in this ? nah u didnt.

oh and please dont say i have to make a declaration myself at the police. all that will happen is that a paper is putted beneath 10000 others.<---------------------------------------- this