EVE General Discussion

So tears are bad now? Is this the end of Eve as we know it?

Or the 'victim' could just disconnect from TS and, MAGIC! He's no longer a victim (only of a scam, not of abuse/harassment etc.)

That's nice. Make sure to incorporate that your client will be serving time in an orange jumpsuit. Keep pushing it I dare you.

Many comments about bad press here
but wasn't it Ripard Teg who brought this matter up and made a big deal out of it?
how's he not responsible for a hypothetical bad press that may come out off this?
should he be banned alongside Erotica if the only reason to ban erotica is to avoid bad press?

No CCP has not made a formal reply, and they won't. They will make a decision and the only parties that will know what happens are the ones involved.

As should have been the case from the get go. If Sohkar was put off he could have gone to CCP. This thread is entirely a product of Ripard Teg instigating a witch hunt against someone he has personal disdain for. Simply reading his blog on the subject will tell you he is biased in his position on this and has already taken it upon himself as a representative of CCP to call Erotica 1 out, and label him with a bunch of slanderous labels.

CCP will only discuss this with Erotica, and perhaps Sohkar, but I doubt even Sohkar will be privy to the discussion with CCP as Erotica 1 is the only on that needs learn of any CCP decision.

And it is entirely up to Erotica 1 to share details of that discussion with anyone.

Then you will end up biomassing yourself because I don't think they'll respond in that time frame. I'll take your pixel treasures if you're going to trash them :)

How many is that?......nvm i dont care.. this thread is already 160 odd pages to long.



I like Cheese.

I have several points to contribute to this thread naught.

1.) CCP absolutely has the right to intercede in this manner. Yes, they were on a "private" TS server, but they were using it in conjunction with EvE. If I make an EvE Fansite that post RL threats to CCP or EvE players, that details how to cheat in the game, or advocates other EULA breaking activities, CCP absolutely has the right to shut down my accounts and ban me from their game.

2.) All parties to this event misbehaved. As such, ban them both, or ban neither.

a.) The "victim" made RL threats, used racial slurs, profanity, and more. A mature adult would step away from the computer, leave teamspeak, and act a lot more mature. There is NO EXCUSE for his outbursts, and they should be called out for behaving in such a pisspoor manner over a game!

b.) E1 and crew setup their "bonus round" with the specific intention of "breaking" people. This is their end goal, and the scam is just the tool they use to get their desired results. This is disgusting on an interpersonal level, and their behavior should be ostracized. Unfortunately, for most people, there is an ambiguous line between harassment-in-fun and reveling in the pain of others. To clarify the difference, having RvB/Goons sing to gain entrance into a WH is harassment in fun. The ransom offer is made in good faith, and while the act is potentially embarrassing, it isn't aimed to maximize suffering. Perhaps I'm misjudging E1, but I don't believe there is EVER any intention of "doubling isk", and the end goal is to witness their victim suffer. Such abhorrent behavior should not be applauded, but spat upon. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any truly enforceable rule CCP can implement that won't hurt/alienate the more acceptable forms of harassment-in-fun activities.

3.) Bullying keeps getting tossed around. There are several types of bullying in this world:

a.) The schoolyard bully: This is the guy that asks to borrow your hat, and then refuses to give it back unless you do embarassing things on the playground. This bullying can be easily avoided (don't give him your hat). This bully can be easily defeated (give up your hat and walk away). The only power this bully has is the power you give them. In the wasy that count, this is type of bullying that took place on E1's "bonus room" soundcloud. An adult should be able to cope with this type of harassment without crying fowl and running to the police.

b.) The maleficent bully: This is the bully that steals your items, physically assaults you, vandalizes your home, makes you feel for your safety, and goes out of their way to make you miserable. This bully cannot be easily escaped, as they stalk you and maneuver to block your escape. This is they type of bullying that should involve bringing in the authorities and prosecuting, but this is NOT the type of bullying that went on here. This is what the cyber-bullying movement is trying to stomp out, and you calling E1's actions cyberbullying is a disservice everyone. It's simply a pathetic use of an inflammatory buzzword to force CCP's hand and gain media attention, and y'all should feel ashamed for following this path!

Just pointing it out: When it's in writing, it called "libel".

I would not want to guess at the number of either, but would the ones that enjoy E1's 'Content' leave if it wasn't there? or would they find new 'Content' to enjoy? Or more importantly would it be possible to have both inexperienced players and 'Content' that didn't drive them away, or prevent them form ever trying EVE in the first place.

If this particular scam was discouraged, or vacated from EVE entirely would E1 quit?