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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3161 - 2014-03-26 17:32:24 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt.



What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far

They did nothing to break the EULA, there was nothing illegal done, he wasn't coerced into anything (he could leave at any time, including when they asked for this stuff), and absolutely no harm was done other than his pride was injured (and his greed bit him in the ass).

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3162 - 2014-03-26 17:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And I have no desire to see Erotica1 harmed.
You're a liar.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4386456#post4386456
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If someone roundhouse kicked Erotica1, I would laugh and applaud :)

And Im completely within my rights to say and think so, both offline and here on this board.

You can think Im a "bad" person for that, but no law or contract prevents me from laughing or applauding, nor for saying I would.

It wouldnt be me kicking him, and its entirely within my purview how I, as an unassociated autonomous individual, choose to respond to that with laughter and clapping, or to say that that would be my reaction.


Emphasis mine.


READ THE REST OF THE QUOTE.

If this was a Erotica1 Bonus task, you would have failed.
Nowhere there does it say I desire to see Erotica1 harmed.
I did read the rest of the quote, unlike you I even quoted it in ful instead of redacting the content. Would you like me to also quote the rest of the posts where you condone the use of real life violence being inflicted upon Erotica? Or are you going to shut up before you make yourself look like a complete and utter tool?

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Salvos Rhoska
#3163 - 2014-03-26 17:32:42 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
"Ya guys no where except for the bolded underlined part where I would laugh and applaud him being kicked! or last night when I said id be content if he were assaulted at fanfest (page 100 or so) and Id be totally chill if that assault was a murder(page 105 or so)""

Meh...
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#3164 - 2014-03-26 17:33:22 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And I have no desire to see Erotica1 harmed.
You're a liar.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4386456#post4386456
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If someone roundhouse kicked Erotica1, I would laugh and applaud :)

And Im completely within my rights to say and think so, both offline and here on this board.

You can think Im a "bad" person for that, but no law or contract prevents me from laughing or applauding, nor for saying I would.

It wouldnt be me kicking him, and its entirely within my purview how I, as an unassociated autonomous individual, choose to respond to that with laughter and clapping, or to say that that would be my reaction.


Emphasis mine.


READ THE REST OF THE QUOTE.

If this was a Erotica1 Bonus task, you would have failed.
Nowhere there does it say I desire to see Erotica1 harmed.


"Ya guys no where except for the bolded underlined part where I would laugh and applaud him being kicked! or last night when I said id be content if he were assaulted at fanfest (page 100 or so) and Id be totally chill if that assault was a murder(page 105 or so)""


"As long as I didn't actually type out those actual words, I, in no way, shape or form, meant anything of the sort! Stop trying to imagine a sentence means something it doesn't! I'm so silly I need to see things literally written down in black-and-white, and implications/inferences/meanings behind words are a foreign concept to me."
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3165 - 2014-03-26 17:33:23 UTC
So where in the recording was Sohkar actually abused? I've listened to it twice, I must be missing it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3166 - 2014-03-26 17:33:27 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


No, I'm not being serious.

The guys over at BU spoke to Salvos on comms for a little over 3 hours. This included a 2 and a half hour debate over the legality of what Erotica 1 did based on how doing it over TeamSpeak3 changed the entire situation. It was very interesting and lots of long limbs were stretched to their limit.


So, Salvos isn't Mrs Sohkar? Because if Salvo isn't her, then he is either Sohkar himself or one of his "powerful friends in game", and I will make the appropriate apologies.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#3167 - 2014-03-26 17:33:58 UTC
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:

Regards the leaving and returning thing as it is a key point, he returns because he is invested in the situation. One element is his own greed that is driving him towards The Prize. the other is the skillful engineering going on to keep things going as long as possible. The way the instigators remain calm, authoratative, reasonable, polite yet continue to subtly push and coerce and encourage the participant to carry on. Deliberate use of specific techniques to encourage further participation is what keeps him coming back.

Yes, people should not care about space pixels and they should just get up and walk away, but people don't They ascribe real value to their space pixels. People in generally are psychologically susceptible to a variety of techniques, some of which are quite obviously used by the instigators.


and as a side note, their entire schtick is based on these techniques working, which is what those saying 'he should have walked away' tend to elide over.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3168 - 2014-03-26 17:34:04 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring. Ugh


Slowly/gently pull the chair out. He'll lose his own balance and fall over Twisted

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3169 - 2014-03-26 17:35:09 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.


This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.


Well...

You like to take people ingame stuff. Which is ok. These guys want to cause you real world hard and they are almost rabbit about it.

Sometimes I wonder who the real psychopaths are.


Well said, Mr. Kane. Couldn't have said it better myself. Blink


They wanted to cause real world EMBARRASSMENT. Contrary to popular belief, being embarrassed causes no on harm. Blink

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3170 - 2014-03-26 17:35:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring. Ugh


Do you have a marker pen?


Better watch out.

That is bullying.

And he will have the FBI, Interpol, and whatever other agency that won't waste their time over space pixels following him.

And then poor Sentamon will be another victim of Ripard's witch hunt.

Sad

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3171 - 2014-03-26 17:35:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


No, I'm not being serious.

The guys over at BU spoke to Salvos on comms for a little over 3 hours. This included a 2 and a half hour debate over the legality of what Erotica 1 did based on how doing it over TeamSpeak3 changed the entire situation. It was very interesting and lots of long limbs were stretched to their limit.


So, Salvos isn't Mrs Sohkar? Because if Salvo isn't her, then he is either Sohkar himself or one of his "powerful friends in game", and I will make the appropriate apologies.


Unless there's some really good voice acting going on - no.

But believe me, Savlos argued so vehemently about it that he definitely has some stake in it.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Salvos Rhoska
#3172 - 2014-03-26 17:35:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Would you like me to also quote the rest of the posts where you condone the use of real life violence being inflicted upon Erotica? Or are you going to shut up before you look like a complete and utter tool?

Well if you are going to raise such a serious allegation against me, you had better do so.

And you had better do so convincingly because I will therafter contact CCP that you are making very serious false and libelous allegations towards me.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#3173 - 2014-03-26 17:36:16 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring. Ugh

You should ask him for his wallet and take it from there Blink
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#3174 - 2014-03-26 17:36:45 UTC
Anyone who has actually listened to the entirety of sohkar's bonus room should be left with little sympathy for him but that's beside the point. The bonus room is just talking, and you are in no way locked in there. Many bonus rooms are in fact fun for everyone involved, and some pay out but again that's not important.

What is important is that Ripard Teg is using his position to raise what is little less than a lynch mob. Eject him from CSM now.
Mario Putzo
#3175 - 2014-03-26 17:36:53 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
olan2005 wrote:

What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far


They broke nothing in the EULA.

They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room.


Section 6 Part C

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of service point 4 - Anti Social Behaviour E.G the prolonged abuse of another player (human being) not the avatar

quote "You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy."

link =]https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/


And how many times did Sohkar leave and return? He CHOSE to keep himself in an environment that people here deem "hostile". If he had issues with it he could have left at any time. He did several times. He returned several times. So no rules were violated on behalf of Erotica 1 and friends.

The evidence is there in the recording.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3176 - 2014-03-26 17:36:56 UTC
olan2005 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
olan2005 wrote:

What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far


They broke nothing in the EULA.

They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room.


Section 6 Part C

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of service point 4 - Anti Social Behaviour E.G the prolonged abuse of another player (human being) not the avatar

quote "You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy."

link =]https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/


This wasn't role playing and it was not persistent. The whole event was over in less than 2 hours and the guy spent 30 min of that tossing abuse about. If anything the contestant broke the EULA with racial and abusive behaviour which falls under section 3. harassment.

Ais Hellia
Jita Honor Industries Union
#3177 - 2014-03-26 17:36:57 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Ais Hellia wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread
but have anyone already mentioned that Salvos Rhoska is definitely Mr Sohkar from the record
so his pretending to be on a moral high ground here after making real life death threats and racist remarks on the record is kind of questionable


THE PLOT THICKENS... Oh wait, no it doesn't we kinda knew already but good on you for adding content to the thread anyways.
Consider it a training ground for real posting, it's not like someone reads stuff here Lol Let alone listen to the recording.

D.

Bear


c'mon 158 pages
and i see him still posting from the page 1 to page 159 like nothing happened
i didn't expect him to be so openly hypocrite
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3178 - 2014-03-26 17:37:33 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


No, I'm not being serious.

The guys over at BU spoke to Salvos on comms for a little over 3 hours. This included a 2 and a half hour debate over the legality of what Erotica 1 did based on how doing it over TeamSpeak3 changed the entire situation. It was very interesting and lots of long limbs were stretched to their limit.


So, Salvos isn't Mrs Sohkar? Because if Salvo isn't her, then he is either Sohkar himself or one of his "powerful friends in game", and I will make the appropriate apologies.


Is Sohkar a Mittani alt?

Nah, Mittens has more composure.

But nonetheless...

::tinfoil::

Shocked

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#3179 - 2014-03-26 17:38:20 UTC
Berendas wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies.


You might be in for some trouble then friend-o.

18 U.S. Code, Section 1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.


Having observed the language you have used to spout nonsense throughout this thread, you may well come away with some legal trouble of your own.

Meh, anyone can say anything they like on the internet. Until they offer proof that they've done it, I'd assume they didn't have the balls to follow through with it.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3180 - 2014-03-26 17:39:14 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
but Ero and friends didn't do so to cause in real life mental distress. To try and get some tears? Sure,


Wat?

Making someone cry seems pretty RL distressful to me.

Mr Epeen Cool