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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3141 - 2014-03-26 17:26:04 UTC
Upde wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting.


No no no.

You don't understand.

They did all this over Teamspeak. By doing it outside of the game, Erotica 1 created a false sense of ownership (ie, DEFRAUD) of the virtual items that exist in the game. This is the premise upon which he held them in MENTAL DURESS!!

By communicating game-related activities over TeamSpeak, Erotica 1 in fact broke international scam law! Interpol is involved. Calls have been made.


Not sure if serious ????

Interpol..................... WTF ? seriously, if they are whoever called them up is going to get a torn a new one for wasting police time....................


No, I'm not being serious.

The guys over at BU spoke to Salvos on comms for a little over 3 hours. This included a 2 and a half hour debate over the legality of what Erotica 1 did based on how doing it over TeamSpeak3 changed the entire situation. It was very interesting and lots of long limbs were stretched to their limit.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#3142 - 2014-03-26 17:26:56 UTC
If this was all done within game over EVE voice, just so that it was all ingame, what did he do to break in the EULA?

We need T3 Shuttles!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiR5Q72kT1U
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3143 - 2014-03-26 17:26:58 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:

This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.



Did I hurt your feelings Erotica? Did I really? I did not mean to do that. I am just laying out the facts for you. Logically.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3144 - 2014-03-26 17:27:19 UTC
Ais Hellia wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread
but have anyone already mentioned that Salvos Rhoska is definitely Mr Sohkar from the record
so his pretending to be on a moral high ground here after making real life death threats and racist remarks on the record is kind of questionable


I can confirm via voice chat that Salvos is not Sohkar. Possibly they know eachother, but they are not the same person.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#3145 - 2014-03-26 17:27:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We all did. You say you approve of violence against E1.

Where in the quote does it "say you approve of violence against E1?"

It does not say so.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#3146 - 2014-03-26 17:27:35 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.


This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.


What authority do you have to say 'get help' when you are part of a group made to make people angry, hurt their feelings, and call them stupid in oh so many colorful ways as part of some superiority complex? If bullying is your fun, you need a new hobby, or you need a new way to play EVE

O tempora o mores!
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3147 - 2014-03-26 17:28:10 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting.



So...... The best part thenPirate Onward and forward GD. Keep the rage flame burningTwisted

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Mario Putzo
#3148 - 2014-03-26 17:28:10 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
And I have no desire to see Erotica1 harmed.
You're a liar.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4386456#post4386456
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If someone roundhouse kicked Erotica1, I would laugh and applaud :)

And Im completely within my rights to say and think so, both offline and here on this board.

You can think Im a "bad" person for that, but no law or contract prevents me from laughing or applauding, nor for saying I would.

It wouldnt be me kicking him, and its entirely within my purview how I, as an unassociated autonomous individual, choose to respond to that with laughter and clapping, or to say that that would be my reaction.


Emphasis mine.


READ THE REST OF THE QUOTE.

If this was a Erotica1 Bonus task, you would have failed.
Nowhere there does it say I desire to see Erotica1 harmed.


"Ya guys no where except for the bolded underlined part where I would laugh and applaud him being kicked! or last night when I said id be content if he were assaulted at fanfest (page 100 or so) and Id be totally chill if that assault was a murder(page 105 or so)""
Lady Areola Fappington
#3149 - 2014-03-26 17:28:20 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Berendas wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.

This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.

What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? ShockedThe only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate.



I'm a nurse practitioner. I do shifts at the nearby ER, and for people with prescription privs, it's a 24 hour shift.

Yikes. Tough job, how do you stay awake at the end of your shift though. I tend to start dozing after 20 hours of work...



It's not TOO bad. We aren't required to actually be awake during the whole shift, and the hospital is in a quiet area. I'll normally catch a few hours nap here and there, and that tides me over until I get off-shift.

The salary diff between nurses who pull ER shifts and those who don't more than makes up for it.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#3150 - 2014-03-26 17:28:34 UTC
Katkon Darnok wrote:
It's about the cyber-bullying, making fun of a guy's speech impediment, and the scammer's overt desire to avoid CCP's user agreement by trying to move the whole thing offsite. And then it's about posting the conversation for the sheer purpose of having others join in "the fun" of watching another guy lose his net virtual worth and get extremely agitated in the process. That's what this is about.
They don't really make fun of his speech impediment, and it disappears anyway when he starts calling them niggers.

The rest of the post is nonsense too, but that's one particular accusation I have not seen challenged thus far.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3151 - 2014-03-26 17:28:42 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
...



Its OK buddy. We understand.

But do not worry, a properly worded crime tip to the FBI and other agencies does not go unnoticed.

It might take 6-8 months for them, but they will come.

And with words like ' online predators ' ' luring ' 'vulnerable victims ' 'possibly underage ' 'recorded ' 'tortured and abused ' ' published on the internet '

THEY WILL COME.


And you...you just visualize a cage in a zoo with a monkey in it. Puts things in perspective doesnt it.


This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.


Well...

You like to take people ingame stuff. Which is ok. These guys want to cause you real world hard and they are almost rabbit about it.

Sometimes I wonder who the real psychopaths are.


Well said, Mr. Kane. Couldn't have said it better myself. Blink

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3152 - 2014-03-26 17:29:08 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.



Did I hurt your feelings Erotica? Did I really? I did not mean to do that. I am just laying out the facts for you. Logically.


You are attacking someone in RL. He did not.

You are the real psychopath.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3153 - 2014-03-26 17:29:36 UTC
Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring. Ugh

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3154 - 2014-03-26 17:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Katkon Darnok wrote:


But, honestly - TIMING is not the issue. NOR is the actual scam or the ignorance/greed of the victim. It's about the cyber-bullying, making fun of a guy's speech impediment, and the scammer's overt desire to avoid CCP's user agreement by trying to move the whole thing offsite. And then it's about posting the conversation for the sheer purpose of having others join in "the fun" of watching another guy lose his net virtual worth and get extremely agitated in the process. That's what this is about.


Nothing E1 did was against the EULA. The recording comment is a part of the scam to gain trust as are the witnesses.

Equally this is nothing like cyber bullying, not by a long shot. I wonder, did you even listen to the recording? Or did you just look at that blog (the author of which turns out to also have not listened to the recording)?
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3155 - 2014-03-26 17:31:07 UTC
Ais Hellia wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread
but have anyone already mentioned that Salvos Rhoska is definitely Mr Sohkar from the record
so his pretending to be on a moral high ground here after making real life death threats and racist remarks on the record is kind of questionable


THE PLOT THICKENS... Oh wait, no it doesn't we kinda knew already but good on you for adding content to the thread anyways.
Consider it a training ground for real posting, it's not like someone reads stuff here Lol Let alone listen to the recording.

D.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3156 - 2014-03-26 17:31:28 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Gotta be kidding me, now some guy sits next to me in the library and is passed out snoring. Ugh


Do you have a marker pen?
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
Empire of Decadence.
#3157 - 2014-03-26 17:32:08 UTC
I'd really like to know what kind of person does stuff like that for s**t and giggles.

A portrait of some sort, an archetype which I can refer to.

The idea of meeting someone like that IRL is worrying.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3158 - 2014-03-26 17:32:08 UTC
Upde wrote:


Your argument loses its legs though when you examine what kind of other events set precedents for how something like this would potentially be handled.

For example social media sites have a legal responsibility (albiet a loose one) to the safeguarding of its userbases well being. Cases in context are the classic facebook trolls and subsequent actions taken against them.

In much the same way CCP has a similar responsibility. That this happened on TS to avoid the EULA is obvious, however it was done so on the back of leveraging CCP IP and their game. Thus CCP cannot effectively hide while they are getting media mud thrown at their windows.

If this was all done using EVE's in game comm system what do you think would have been the outcome ?


Thank you for the well written response. I will try to show the same respect.

Facebook is a good point, but we should try not to compare and contrast Facebook and other social media networks and their companies about how they handle what could be considered abuse, or misconduct, because odds are they are dealing with real names and real faces. A person who is known by a name in a town who happens to have a Facebook and all of his/her friends/acquaintances know of him/her through that social network is different when we're dealing with fake internet spaceship names. Sure, we know everyone who was involved in-game and we know their voice, but knowing their voice isn't real life contact information.

Using TS to avoid the EULA violations is done so for everyone involved across all Corps, Alliances. Also, CCP isn't the best at handling some things, I mean I love'em, but sometimes it's better to try and avoid the train-wreck that would be CCP involvement in trying to police their in-game comms. And, if I'm not mistaken TS has always been the preferred gamer comms across many video games.

To attempt to answer your question, I honestly don't see it. EULA violations, I don't see it. Does it borderline? Okay maybe, but breaking enough EULA violations to warrent a ban, no. Both parties made fun of each other, but Ero and friends didn't do so to cause in real life mental distress. To try and get some tears? Sure, but this is Eve Online. If at any moment the scammee would have turned around and said this was causing IRL harm and he was thinking about hurting himself, or others, I guarantee Ero and friends would have tried to talk him down and would have contacted CCP so that CCP could let the proper authorities know.

So, what I think would happen using in-game comms is if any type of punishment were given, it would be a slap on the wrist and mainly because CCP needs to 'act'. Other than that, nothing.

HTH

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3159 - 2014-03-26 17:32:09 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies.


You might be in for some trouble then friend-o.

18 U.S. Code, Section 1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

Having observed the language you have used to spout nonsense throughout this thread, you may well come away with some legal trouble of your own.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3160 - 2014-03-26 17:32:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
olan2005 wrote:

What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far


They broke nothing in the EULA.

They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room.


Section 6 Part C

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/

Terms of service point 4 - Anti Social Behaviour E.G the prolonged abuse of another player (human being) not the avatar

quote "You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy."

link =]https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/