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Salvos Rhoska
#3101 - 2014-03-26 17:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
lollerwaffle wrote:
Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia.

What?! But that again, is a completely ridiculous conclusion! He did not even remotely compare those.

I'm sitting here literally shaking my head repeatedly trying to comprehend how it is you can so absolutely misread and miscomprehend what someone else is LITERALLY writing. As in what is there in the words. As in the objective expression, as a sequence of letters that when combined form words that have specific definitions.

Its like you are reading with your imagination. I don't see where the connection is between what you THINK you are reading, and what is actually there in letters and words for you to read.

I need to go for a walk. Seriously, this is upsetting to me. What is the point of language and communication if you DONT READ the words and understand them as close to the meaning and intent as possible of the person who expressed them. I mean why else even fking bother?

I mean its like if this was one of Erotica1's Bonus Room tests, you would fail it.
If I showed you that text and asked you to write out for me what you understand it to mean damn Im afraid to even know what that might be. Language. Do. You. Use. It.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3102 - 2014-03-26 17:10:23 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting.
Lady Areola Fappington
#3103 - 2014-03-26 17:12:26 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting.

Procrastinating at work for me Shocked



Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.

This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Brusanan
Free State Project
#3104 - 2014-03-26 17:13:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt.

Exactly this.

/thread
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#3105 - 2014-03-26 17:13:51 UTC
"Torture".

Mates pls.

The guy could've left whenever he want, and while it makes sense for people to question just how far the Bonus Room goes, the participant was willing to stay because of their own greed.

Also, the recorded guy wasn't exactly some kind of space saint in any sense.
olan2005
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3106 - 2014-03-26 17:14:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt.



What they did was take a in-game scam out of game to avoid repercussions of EULA and Humiliate a person not a avatar for personal enjoyment using coercive means. The COERCIVE means and OUT OF GAME mechanisms for Humiliation , with deliberate intent to harm another is what is at issue here. Personally they should be banned for taking this scam to far
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3107 - 2014-03-26 17:14:42 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.

This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.

What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? ShockedThe only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate.
Salvos Rhoska
#3108 - 2014-03-26 17:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
baltec1 wrote:
These people


Funny. I seem to recall "these people" being used to identify various other associations of players with mutual ingame interests.

For example, Erotica1 and "these people" who listen to the abuse in the Bonus Room.
Hows that for a reprehensible bunch.

Many people don't agree with what Erotica1 is doing, nor want it in this game.
They are entitled to that opinion. They are entitled to speak that opinion.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#3109 - 2014-03-26 17:14:57 UTC
Ok, sorry I had to leave for a bit, I actually went and tried my own challenge.
For who doesn't remember from 100-odd pages ago;
Danalee wrote:
Listen again to the recording, every time Erotica1 bullies, threatens, shouts or does anything remotely bad drink a glass of water.
Every time the supposed victim shouts, swears, threatens someone or is just a terrible person, have a jägerbomb.

You'll be pissed, I guarantee it.

I kinda got really drunk, really fast but am good now. Me and my family contemplated suing sokhar for every penny he has though since he damaged my liver with his bonus room shenanigans.
Anyhow. ShockedWhat?! 150+ Pages....Shocked

Can someone provide me the cliffnotes of what was said after I passed out?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#3110 - 2014-03-26 17:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia.

What?! But that again, is a completely ridiculous conclusion! He did not even remotely compare those.

I'm sitting here literally shaking my head repeatedly trying to comprehend how it is you can so absolutely misread and miscomprehend what someone else is LITERALLY writing. As in what is there in the words. As in the objective expression, as a sequence of letters that when combined form words that have specific definitions.

Its like you are reading with your imagination. I don't see where the connection is between what you THINK you are reading, and what is actually there in letters and words for you to read.

I need to go for a walk. Seriously, this is upsetting to me. What is the point of language and communication if you DONT READ the words and understand them as close to the meaning and intent as possible of the person who expressed them. I mean why else even fking bother?

I mean its like if this was one of Erotica1's Bonus Room tests, you would fail it.
If I showed you that text and asked you to write out for me what you understand it to mean damn Im afraid to even know what that might be. Language. Do. You. Use. It.

Oh look, petty insults. I'm sorry English isn't my first language and I'm not as skilled at twisting words around as you are. So he didn't 'compare' what happened to paedophilia. Instead, he implied that he was going to tip the FBI that the perpetrator was doing that. Does that make you feel better now that you've won at nitpicking and failed to address the spirit of the post like an adult?

Please DO go for a walk since you seem to get upset over random strangers posting on the internet. It's OK, sometime it happens to people with weak mental constitution. Guess winning at 'picking apart posts to find faults with the person's posting rather than addressing their comments' doesn't make you feel better, after all Cry

Thanks for playing.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3111 - 2014-03-26 17:15:43 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
*sigh*
I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.


Not sure about the stupid part but the guy that got scammed clearly consented to everything, clearly is a full blown racist, and clearly made real life threats of physical violence. The last two points that I made are clearly banable if done inside of EVE online, but since it was done outside the game it falls outside the realm of CCP and is best left for the authorities.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Allisar Naxx
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3112 - 2014-03-26 17:16:30 UTC
For anyone just joining us, allow me to provide a summary of the last 150+ pages:

"Erotica 1's actions are exactly the same as (something completely different that has nothing do with Eve)!" - Everyone
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#3113 - 2014-03-26 17:16:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3114 - 2014-03-26 17:16:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.


I am. These people haven't even listened to the recording and are throwing nothing but abuse about at anyone who disagrees with them. They have taken it upon themselves to spread this around as many gaming site and news sites as they can.

All that for someone getting someone to read out the code, look up wikipedia and try to get them to sing two song one of which from a disney cartoon. Never once did they swear at the contestant while the contestant spent a good 30 min throwing abuse about.

This is nothing but a witchhunt against E1 and they dont give a damn about this "victim" either as they are spreading his outbursts around the net. They have done more to damage this contestant than E1 ever did, they are even calling him mentally disabled based only upon a speech imediment. This whole thing is disgusting.


No no no.

You don't understand.

They did all this over Teamspeak. By doing it outside of the game, Erotica 1 created a false sense of ownership (ie, DEFRAUD) of the virtual items that exist in the game. This is the premise upon which he held them in MENTAL DURESS!!

By communicating game-related activities over TeamSpeak, Erotica 1 in fact broke international scam law! Interpol is involved. Calls have been made.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Lady Areola Fappington
#3115 - 2014-03-26 17:16:51 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



Can't sleep myself. I'm supposed to be napping before a 24 hour shift, but the benadryl is doing nothing.

This thread is AMAZING though, viewed through a haze of opiates.

What is your line of work that you have a shift that lasts 24 hours? ShockedThe only thing that comes readily to my mind are pilots that fly transcontinental routes, and even then they alternate.



I'm a nurse practitioner. I do shifts at the nearby ER, and for people with prescription privs, it's a 24 hour shift.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3116 - 2014-03-26 17:17:37 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Batelle wrote:
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Your definition of bullying is incorrect though, despite your personal interpretation of the term.
It is what the definitions of it say it is. Its not hard to look them up and accept that.

Repetition is not a condition of bullying. Even a single act can constitute it.
Several people have explained this to you. I linked you a definition, yesterday, 2 other guys have linked you one today.
And yet you still insist that bullying involves things that are not actually implicit in it at all.


Yes, and most of those definitions were from different sources. You'll have as many definitions as the number of people you ask. Even you said that cyberbullying laws are just going onto the books in many states. So don't pretend like this is all settled and well-understood law, with one central definition that everyone has to agree with. I personally consider "repeated" to be an essential part of bullying, and if not a necessary part, then at the very least non-repeated bullying would require extraordinary circumstances for me to call it bullying.

Why do I consider "repeated" to be so important? Because the only reason anyone gives two ***** about cyberbullying is that a bunch of kids have been killing themselves over it. And the common thread in those cases is repeated harassment over months and years. So I'm justifiably skeptical when a bunch of people come around and try to tap into the emotional outrage over those tragedies by calling anything and everything that they don't like "bullying." And its only with repeated abuse that a victim becomes powerless to control their own environment. Its only with REPEATED abuse that the "X" at the top right corner of the screen loses its power.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Lucretia DeWinter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3117 - 2014-03-26 17:17:39 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:


Thanks for attacking me, I think I'll call the space police now.

On a more serious note, you completely danced around the fact that he left and came back multiple times. So, what's your stance on that? Personally, my stance is he could have left, but chose to stay. I know this argument has been brought up several times, but I believe most people simply overlook it. If he was being made fun of to the point of mental distress, he then should have logged off and taken the loss of his pixels. I am interested to hear what you legitimately have to say about it (no sarcasm).

If anyone hurts themselves, or others due to a video game, the blame is not on the developer of said video game but of someone/something else; family, or lack thereof is usually the first to blame.


Absolutely agreed in principle.

Regards the leaving and returning thing as it is a key point, he returns because he is invested in the situation. One element is his own greed that is driving him towards The Prize. the other is the skillful engineering going on to keep things going as long as possible. The way the instigators remain calm, authoratative, reasonable, polite yet continue to subtly push and coerce and encourage the participant to carry on. Deliberate use of specific techniques to encourage further participation is what keeps him coming back.

In all honestly, if it were my scam, I would have pulled the plug on it when it was obvious the participant was getting emotionally distressed with something like "look, I'm sorry, you are not going to continue in this Bonus Round and you're not getting your stuff back."

Yes, people should not care about space pixels and they should just get up and walk away, but people don't They ascribe real value to their space pixels. People in generally are psychologically susceptible to a variety of techniques, some of which are quite obviously used by the instigators.

Are the developers to blame for what happens in their game? No. Do they have a responsibility to provide a clear statement on how people are expected to conduct themselves or face potential consequences? Absolutely.
Salvos Rhoska
#3118 - 2014-03-26 17:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
lollerwaffle wrote:
----

Ok, I will translate for you.
He made no contextual or value comparison between pedophilia and spaceships, whatsoever.
Nor did he in anyway imply that Erotica1 or anyone else is even remotely related to pedophilia
I say that with all sincerity. There was no cause for alarm or getting upset at him.
Its not there in the text. None of that is there or the case.

He did not mean or say what you "think" he did, in anyway, shape or form.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Katkon Darnok
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3119 - 2014-03-26 17:18:05 UTC
Lord Mandelor wrote:
"Torture".

Mates pls.

The guy could've left whenever he want, and while it makes sense for people to question just how far the Bonus Room goes, the participant was willing to stay because of their own greed.

Also, the recorded guy wasn't exactly some kind of space saint in any sense.


Sure, he could have left after he'd handed over the 1B ISK and his entire asset base, and be left with nothing. He could have done that. Yes. Shocked
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3120 - 2014-03-26 17:18:20 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:

Oh look, petty insults. I'm sorry English isn't my first language and I'm not as skilled at twisting words around as you are. So he didn't 'compare' what happened to paedophilia. Instead, he implied that he was going to tip the FBI that the perpetrator was doing that. Does that make you feel better now that you've won at nitpicking and failed to address a post like an adult?

Please go for a walk since you seem to get upset over random strangers posting on the internet. It's OK, sometime it happens to people with weak mental constitution.

Thanks for playing.


I didint imply. I did tip the FBI, and several other agencies.