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Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3081 - 2014-03-26 16:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoshi Sorano
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?


Ah, the once mighty Malcanis lowered to making reductio ad absurdum arguments.

You are falling prey to the apparently common false assumption that EVE is a country, and CCP a government which must protect the rights of its "citizens". CCP is a business, they own EVE and all the code contained within, they provide a service, and they retain the right to refuse that service to anyone, anytime, for whatever reason. They need no legal justification to do so, as they already have it.

CCP's responsibility is to preserve their business, and that may very well involve removing certain elements which could be harmful to their brand's reputation.

Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"





If I put my hand up, can we get rid of you right along with Erotica 1?

Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3082 - 2014-03-26 16:58:35 UTC
*sigh*

I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.

Hurting stupid people is actually much more heinous than taking advantage of someone that should know better. This ain't some slapstick comedy on the telly. This is real life. When you hurt people in real life it's bad.

When a game company allows you to use their game to fish for victims, it's even worse.

Do you people have any morality left?

Mr Epeen Cool
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3083 - 2014-03-26 16:58:48 UTC
Moloney wrote:
There are several gaming sites more or less calling the eve player base complete scum.

They have already, long before now.


Moloney wrote:
Change is needed.

No it isn't.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3084 - 2014-03-26 16:59:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
That's pretty much spot on for what Erotica and its 'friends' did.


Minus the whole "repeated" thing, which i consider to be vital to any credible definition of bullying. For example, I do not consider one-time crank calls to be "bullying." As you live in that part of the world, would you agree with the commonly-held opinion that those infamous DJs were guilty of "bullying" when they impersonated the queen on a crank call?

Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
I have not once called for Erotica1 to be banned. What I advocate is that it should be defined that this is unacceptable behaviour and we (the community) and they (CCP) do not want to be associated (through EVE) with it. Should this occur and subsequently anyone continues to do 'Bonus Rooms' where the only intent is to humiliate a person (not a character) for as long as possible, then yes, pass me the banstick.


Since you seem to know what you're talking about, which part of the behavior do you find to be unacceptable? And would you be okay with some rule that would be typically unenforceable should the perpetrators be less than willing to brag about their conquest?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Salvos Rhoska
#3085 - 2014-03-26 17:00:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You mean the reply to the post where Luminous Spirit used the words paedophilia, the censored form of sexual assault etc; in an entirely out of context manner while seeming to compare them to the loss of internet spaceships?

And I'm supposed to be the one who is illiterate?


Yes, that one.

He didn't compare pedophilia with loss of space ships in any way, not for significance or context.

Dont you understand that?

Please, tell me you can understand that.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mario Putzo
#3086 - 2014-03-26 17:00:33 UTC
Moloney wrote:
This is the sort of thing that will pit the balance against b-r in terms of drawing new players.

There are several gaming sites more or less calling the eve player base complete scum.

With this as an example I do not know how anyone could deny it.

Scams are one thing, complete humiliation and degradation of another human irrispective of their own stupidity is wrong.

Next we are going to get recording or chat logs of a mentally chalanged Person being ridiculed or got know what these guys thing is appropriate for minors...

Change is needed.


Ive Got balls of steel.

because its limited to EVE
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3087 - 2014-03-26 17:01:43 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

That's pretty much spot on for what Erotica and its 'friends' did.


No its not.


Cyber bullying is a terrible thing that happens over weeks/months/years. This event from start to finish was 2 hours and followed a script that countless others have undergone when they took on this bonus room. If you had listened to the recording which a shocking amount of you STILL have not done you would have heard that all of the abuse came from the contestant. From what I am hearing even our little blogger didn't listen to the recording.

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3088 - 2014-03-26 17:01:54 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
*sigh*

I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.

Hurting stupid people is actually much more heinous than taking advantage of someone that should know better. This ain't some slapstick comedy on the telly. This is real life. When you hurt people in real life it's bad.

When a game company allows you to use their game to fish for victims, it's even worse.

Do you people have any morality left?

Mr Epeen Cool

Not so much 'stupid' as 'stupid AND greedy'
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3089 - 2014-03-26 17:02:17 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game.


Will you quit if they disagree with you?

This whole, "CCP should ban E1 for their own good" is a really, really weak line of reasoning given Eve's history.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Salvos Rhoska
#3090 - 2014-03-26 17:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Batelle wrote:
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Your definition of bullying is incorrect though, despite your personal interpretation of the term.
It is what the definitions of it say it is. Its not hard to look them up and accept that.

Repetition is not a condition of bullying. Even a single act can constitute it.
Several people have explained this to you. I linked you a definition, yesterday, 2 other guys have linked you one today.
And yet you still insist that bullying involves things that are not actually implicit in it at all.

Furthermore, Erotica1's activities ARE repetitive, though not towards the same victim.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#3091 - 2014-03-26 17:03:20 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
*sigh*

I see the U.S. prime contingent are back with the old the-victim-is-stupid-so-what-happened-to-him-is-perfectly-justified schtick.

Hurting stupid people is actually much more heinous than taking advantage of someone that should know better. This ain't some slapstick comedy on the telly. This is real life. When you hurt people in real life it's bad.

When a game company allows you to use their game to fish for victims, it's even worse.

Do you people have any morality left?

Mr Epeen Cool

Well said. And that pretty much sums up the whole issue discussed over 150+ pages.
Big Lynx
#3092 - 2014-03-26 17:03:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Quite frankly what you people are currently doing to E1 is closer to cyber bullying as you drag their name through the mud via as many media outlets as you can manage.


You can't be serious mate.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3093 - 2014-03-26 17:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?




And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation....

Relevance?


You serious?

Absolutely. Its irrelevant. But its a nice attempt to shift the blame from the people who did do the wrong thing onto the victim. Actually, not its pretty transparent and a bad attempt.

Somebody took his stuff, granted it was just pixels, however that's irrelevant. Whats relevant is a number of people deliberately set out to humiliate and embarrass another person without any regard for them at all. They also made fun of him because he had a speech impediment which is vilification based on disability. There are a lot of things wrong with what they did and your pathetic attempts to try to justify the behavior is, well, pathetic.

Also relevant is if it happened again and a more imbalanced person was deliberately targeted and treated the same way causing that person to harm themselves then CCP would likely be liable in part since they are now fully aware of whats occurring and doing nothing would be pretty stupid from a legal point of view.

CCP has nothing to gain by allowing this behavior to continue and potentially a lot to lose.


Unfortunately rude, obnoxious behavior is not illegal... even if it hurts someones feelings.

For example, it is legal for a religious organization to send a group to a persons funeral to chant and make cat calls attempting to disrupt the service... proclaiming the deceased will go to hell and that they are pleased to know that their death was a sign from god.

This happens to military personnel and even children of military personnel regularly.

However abhorrent this behavior may be, it is still not illegal.

Furthermore, just because law enforcement and the owners of the cemetery know this is going to happen, they are not accountable.... because nothing illegal has happened.

This incident pales to insignificance in comparison.

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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3094 - 2014-03-26 17:05:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You mean the reply to the post where Luminous Spirit used the words paedophilia, the censored form of sexual assault etc; in an entirely out of context manner while seeming to compare them to the loss of internet spaceships?

And I'm supposed to be the one who is illiterate?


Yes, that one.

He didn't compare pedophilia with loss of space ships in any way, not for significance or context.

Dont you understand that?

Please, tell me you can understand that.

Ok, so he compared someone willing subjecting themselves to harassment to paedophilia.

Doesn't make him any more right. Nitpicking on words rather than the actual meaning behind them is poor form and you should be ashamed of yourself. I would laugh my head off if someone walked up to you in real life and punched you for your stupid posting. Hey, don't blame me for that, I have a right to have such a view, as do you, and you defended it earlier.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#3095 - 2014-03-26 17:05:32 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Moloney wrote:
This is the sort of thing that will pit the balance against b-r in terms of drawing new players.

There are several gaming sites more or less calling the eve player base complete scum.

With this as an example I do not know how anyone could deny it.

Scams are one thing, complete humiliation and degradation of another human irrispective of their own stupidity is wrong.

Next we are going to get recording or chat logs of a mentally chalanged Person being ridiculed or got know what these guys thing is appropriate for minors...

Change is needed.


Ive Got balls of steel.

because its limited to EVE

LOL...

Yea.. Or xbox live, or WoW or like anywhere else on the internet.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#3096 - 2014-03-26 17:07:24 UTC
"Your rights end where my feelings begin."

RollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRollRoll
Lady Areola Fappington
#3097 - 2014-03-26 17:08:01 UTC
Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental masturbation" cycle of posting.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3098 - 2014-03-26 17:08:25 UTC
Hoshi Sorano wrote:

Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game.

Bingo. The key word here is THEY (CCP). You are asking that they acknowledge this behaviour as distasteful, and as of this post, THEY are ignoring your request, possibly because they could care less, or simply feel like this is within acceptable limits.
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#3099 - 2014-03-26 17:08:35 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Hoshi Sorano wrote:
Seriously though, it's CCP's game, and they have the right to remove anyone they find "distasteful." We are just asking that they acknowledge this behavior as not only distasteful but detrimental to the continued health and growth of their game, and to take appropriate action to preserve said game.


Will you quit if they disagree with you?

This whole, "CCP should ban E1 for their own good" is a really, really weak line of reasoning given Eve's history.


i'll agree with the last statement. Baning a single individual will do nothing as someone else will simply take up the reigns. What is needed is a belt and bracers review of these "questionable" out of game using in game leverage practices and a clearly defined position from CCP.

Unless anyone in here is an actually lawyer then everything thus far that has been posted is pointless opinion based drivel. CCP's position will undoubtedly be influence by how they feel this may or may not damage their image to the outside world where all the shiny investors reside. Once they have cemented their position they may or may not have to take punitive action to appease their sponsors / financial backers / media friends. That is up to them, but they certainly won't be using this thread as their compass when/if it comes to that.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3100 - 2014-03-26 17:09:22 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Yaknow, after 150+ pages, all hope of effective communication is effectively dead. We're at the "dead horse beating" and "mental ************" cycle of posting.

Procrastinating at work for me Shocked