EVE General Discussion

Well, after the orgasm, it's kind of a moot point.

but the important part you are missing is the TS stuff happened on the back and was instigate by levergaing the EVE "stuff", the 2 cannot be separate really in this case because the "contestant" was brought to TS using EVE which is CCP's IP so its everything to do with EVE even moreso when the media vultures write this one up how do you think that will go down...................

Madman rants on TS while wife goes into panic attack

OR

EVE gamer emotionally dismantled by another EVE player after using in game actions to lure them to TS for a ritual humiliation that was later publicised.

Seriously there are way too many people living in a bubble and not realising that the way this kind of stuff gets interpreted on the outside bears no relevance to what we think internally to the game on these forums.

LordOfDespair says: "If the majority of the players and nonplayers..."
Del0r replies: "The majority of eve players ahve hardly even heard of the forums..."
LordOfDespair counters: "This 137 page thread..."

Offering a 137 page threadnaught as proof that a majority (thats 51%) of the Eve player base has registered an opinion is clearly wrong when only 288 people of the 500k or so subscribers have expressed an opinion. Its still not a majority of the 25,000 people online in Eve right now. I know the thread is moving fast and all, but I was not incorrect in any way.

Read about this today at work, waited to get home so I can post my 5 cent, I guess..

To you Erotica 1, I'm ashamed we're both part of the same species.. Cause if you've had only put half of the effort you've put into showing another human how easily is to break someone's spirit, only half the effort instead into showing him how it can be easy to be good to someone, you would have possibly found a friend for lifetime, and such short lifetime it is.

To you dear sir that got the opportunity to witness first hand how an aspect of ones life can sometimes become one's personal nightmare in a heartbeat, I'm sorry you didn't have enough wits or any other know-how to see the path that lied ahead of you, and I hope you will not judge the rest of us, having the human behind Erotik 1 'internet game name' treat you the way he did.

WE ARE NOT ALL LIKE HIM.

But most of us have felt, and/or endured hard times in our lives, created for us by chance, faith, or bad luck, and most of us try to learn, adapt, deal with the hardships the best way we can.
I'm sure you're finding having someone close to you helps deal with life so much more. With that in mind, I'm hoping you'll not abandon the reality of 'goodness' instead of 'evilness' in all people, also the very much of fun in Eve-Online against the one that made you sad like this event.
I'm just a random passenger in this thing we call life, connecting with you, through this media in this place in time, wanting to let you know that we all know why this was both wrong and sad, but also that you're not alone. If you ever need anything I personally can help you with in Eve, please do contact me in game, I would be happy to help.

o/

But you didn't know he was, till after an hour or so of subjecting him to passive aggressive taunting, humiliating and demeaning tasks as well as frustration. Infact for all we know, he isnt actually a homophobe or a racist, even though he said those things in an emotional outburst.

The way you portray how you think of the victims, or "clients" as you refer to them, is interesting.
How about this by comparison.

A pugdy, short, ms,piggylike and rather dim 30ish blonde woman walks into a biker bar dressed in what she thinks are clothes that would be attractive to men. She looks around upon entry, and decides she is going to try her luck on the loudest guy there. Shes a bit of a dits, but she really wants to get somewhere with this guy. He tells her "Hey baby, gimme half your moneh, and Ill double it fer ya". She does so. And he does, Her confidence in him is lifted. Her rather empty head begins to dimly contemplate possibilities. Later in the evening, he informs her,"hey sugarpie, you still got that money? well, give it to all to me and then we'll go somewhere we can REALLY make this something. She complies, and follows him outside of the bar and down a neighboring dark alley.

There, a bunch of strange men show up, and start demanding that she performs demeaning and humiliating tasks for them if she wants her money back, at the same time as passive aggressively taunting her. This continues for 2hrs until she finally can't stand it anymore, throws a huge fit and storms out of the alleyway with the men laughing at her back. They also recorded the activity for their friends to watch and enjoy.

Would that be an accurate analogy, do you think? How much sympathy do you feel for ms.piggy in this example, as compared to a client in the Bonus Room?

Fair enough.

But using any form of carrot, be it getting your Stuff back or getting a vast amount of Stuff if you will only perform these degrading actions is still a ransom.

Let's not derail into a semantic argument though, I mean ransom as in "some form of punitive payment (humiliation) in return for these things I hold from you (contracted stuff / The Prize)"



I strongly agree with the overarching concept that this shouldn't be about "I don't like this person so ban them." But this isn't about that IMO. External to EVE is relevant when within EVE is essential to it, as in this case, the initial stages of this case begin in EVE with identification and hooking of the Mark. The progression to external channels to continue the humiliation of this person and the subsequent verbal abuse, racism and threats are relevant as they are performed by members of our community under the auspice of being part of the game.

Choice she made

You're 0-for-5 or something on these analogies, give it up. You haven't even changed the analogy at all, you change the actors to make them appear more sympathetic each time.

Important because the rights of EVE clients are important. Not only as players, but also as people.

Since these events occur outside EVE, there is a problem in how to ensure laws are followed.

Some of you are disgusting human beings, especially those either advocating or condoning physical violence.

The use of loaded words such as torture and a term for sexual molestation, that is filtered by the swear filter, to describe something, that while fairly deplorable, is within the realms of the rules (AFAIK) is inappropriate. To the people doing so I say get some perspective, better yet talk to a victim of torture or sexual assault and tell them that losing your internet spaceship pixels is the equivalent to what they've experienced, I'm sure you'll find them sympathetic

You are indulging in a populist witch hunt, and are being carried by the mass hysteria that comes with such a hunt.

War Kittens forum signature would seem to apply to some of you, it reads thus:

"I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all."

TL;DR You're acting like a mob intent on vigilante justice. Grow the hell up, you're meant to be adults, stop acting like petulant little shites.


*apologies War Kitten for using your sig in a thread such as this, it is somewhat appropriate though*

edit ~ Ripard Teg should change his name to Matthew Hopkins, he's painted himself as the Witchfinder General.