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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2681 - 2014-03-26 13:12:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
It was the righteous vindication of a victim. And to hear that said ABOUT A GAME is frankly shameful.

I do not think it is shameful to be joyful at the vindication of the abused over the abuser.
You can disagree, ofc. But that is my view.

When talking about a physical attack in response to a digital interaction, yes I will.
******* moralists

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Lin Suizei
#2682 - 2014-03-26 13:12:56 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
A single death threat or wish of disease in a chat room is not the same as a person who devotes his entire gaming time to tricking naive noobs just so he can get off on their misery.


Confirming "noobs" have accounts from 2009, fly faction battleships and have billions of ISK to double.

LordOfDespair wrote:
I agree it is silly to be so upset over something like ISK, but that doesn't excuse the person whos only goal is to cause that kind of reaction in as many people as possible. Not only is it just wrong, it drives people away from the game and gives every other EvE player a bad name. It hurts the community.


Off-topic, but let's be honest - many bonus room customers don't interact with the community beyond being +1 to the concurrent player count. They will not be particularly missed.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2683 - 2014-03-26 13:13:36 UTC
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:
To relate this as an analogy, the distinction I'm advocating is that EVE assets can have as real a perceived value as any other asset. This is why we get that adrenaline shake in EVE combat and that genuine sense of loss sometimes when our stuff gets blowed up. That a real life victim of fraud or extortion 'chooses' to give the perpetrator their assets doesn't mean they're not a victim.

I think I understand your point. I guess the closest analogy I can think of is when you're at a comedy club to watch a comedian vs. the moment the comedian starts heckling you, hard. Of course it's comedy, but you really wish it didn't turn out that way..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2684 - 2014-03-26 13:14:16 UTC
CCP Falcons quote, some minutes ago:

This is a situation that we've been monitoring for some time now, and recent events have sparked renewed discussion with regards to what, if anything will be done in regards to what's happened.

Thanks.
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#2685 - 2014-03-26 13:15:53 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
CCP Falcons quote, some minutes ago:

This is a situation that we've been monitoring for some time now, and recent events have sparked renewed discussion with regards to what, if anything will be done in regards to what's happened.

Thanks.


no, thats a cut and paste line he is using to lock all duplicate posts :D
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2686 - 2014-03-26 13:17:07 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
What is laughter an expression of??

Joy.

But it is not his suffering in any case, that I would be laughing at, or enjoying.

You can try to pin this anyway you want, it will not stick, because its not there.


So you would find it joyous and applaud, seeing him kicked in the face?

I'm not misrepresenting you. You wrote the words, on multiple occasions.

Why you would find joy in seeing anyone kicked in the face is beyond me, even in the case of your victim lashing out at a bully. That sort of reaction should only be reacted to by offering assistance. Not by being joyed by it and applauding.

Also, back to the legality issue from earlier. I have checked the thread again for your links to the criminal codes you have asserted have been broken. Not a single one I found, but that could be I missed them twice.

Any chance you can take a minute just to link the actual criminal law that has been breached in this. Not a list, but a link to the actual law?

Hope that's not too difficult since they were linked to earlier and I just can't see them.
Salvos Rhoska
#2687 - 2014-03-26 13:18:14 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:
Off-topic, but let's be honest - many bonus room customers don't interact with the community beyond being +1 to the concurrent player count. They will not be particularly missed.

If you mean abusive doublers, yes they will not be missed. Except by those who enjoyed listening in on the suffering they inflicted.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#2688 - 2014-03-26 13:18:48 UTC
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/


Just read the comments on this article.


I now feel like if I tell anybody I play EvE, they will think I'm some kind of sadistic sociopath.

This is not the kind of attention EvE should be getting.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2689 - 2014-03-26 13:19:36 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
CCP Falcons quote, some minutes ago:

This is a situation that we've been monitoring for some time now, and recent events have sparked renewed discussion with regards to what, if anything will be done in regards to what's happened.

Thanks.


That's been written several times today. The only thing that hasn't been done is lock this thread, which should be done as it's run it's course by now.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2690 - 2014-03-26 13:19:47 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Any chance you can take a minute just to link the actual criminal law that has been breached in this. Not a list, but a link to the actual law?




Especially since he made such a fuss over answering polite questions, this ought to be easy for Salvos.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Salvos Rhoska
#2691 - 2014-03-26 13:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Hope that's not too difficult since they were linked to earlier and I just can't see them.

What form that vindication takes is immaterial to me, in regards to the fact that I enjoy when the abused gets one back on the abuser. Whether its verbal, moral, physical, mental or virtual.

If you have difficult ascertaining that, I would refer you to Erotica1's rule system, by means of comparison. If you do not carefully read what I am saying, that is your fault, not mine, nor does it make me less honest.

In anycase, it is not his or anyone elses suffering that I would or do enjoy.

Can the same be said of Erotica1 and the rest of the listeners to the Bonus Room events?
I think not.

Scipio Artelius wrote:
Any chance you can take a minute just to link the actual criminal law that has been breached in this. Not a list, but a link to the actual law?

No, there is not.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#2692 - 2014-03-26 13:21:52 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/


Just read the comments on this article.


I now feel like if I tell anybody I play EvE, they will think I'm some kind of sadistic sociopath.

This is not the kind of attention EvE should be getting.


I was afraid some news website will do this and place all the glorious stories of Eve Online to the death cause now everyone will speak about this crap while speaking about eve online.
This is a disservice to this game.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2693 - 2014-03-26 13:21:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Hope that's not too difficult since they were linked to earlier and I just can't see them.

What form that vindication takes is immaterial to me, in regards to the fact that I enjoy when the abused gets one back on the abuser.

It is not his suffering I enjoy, in anycase.


Sorry what. Just a link to the criminal codes you said you provided earlier in the thread.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2694 - 2014-03-26 13:22:02 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.

Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2695 - 2014-03-26 13:23:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Hope that's not too difficult since they were linked to earlier and I just can't see them.

What form that vindication takes is immaterial to me, in regards to the fact that I enjoy when the abused gets one back on the abuser.

It is not his suffering I enjoy, in anycase.

Your sense of justice scares me.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2696 - 2014-03-26 13:25:07 UTC
Chribba wrote:
http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c

Thanks Chribba. Never knew that functionality was available.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2697 - 2014-03-26 13:25:12 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.

Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c


Priceless! A ban zealot is on top with 163 posts (6%) on an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

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Salvos Rhoska
#2698 - 2014-03-26 13:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sorry what. Just a link to the criminal codes you said you provided earlier in the thread.

No, it is not possible. Sorry.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#2699 - 2014-03-26 13:26:32 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.

Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c


Priceless! A ban zealot is on top with 163 posts (6%) on an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with him.


What does that prove?

This is our gaming community, it is now everyone's business.
Bjurn Akely
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2700 - 2014-03-26 13:27:02 UTC
Jack Lennox wrote:

As someone as already pointed out, this a manufactured "crisis." Much worse things have and will happen in EVE. So please, continue to complain and try to explain to us why this bad, I'm laughing my ass off at the fact that this thread is almost 150 pages


OK. Now deal with them in those threads. Let CCP figure out precedence. Just because Issue B has happened does not mean that Issue A should be forgotten/ignored/whatever. Deal with the different issues in and on their own merit.