EVE General Discussion

I would pay actual $ for that.

How's my favorite thread? 133 pages!? I think when I went to sleep last night it was around 40. Have we solved all the problems yet?

No, the client volunteers his dignity in exchange for satisfying his greed. He can leave any time and chooses not to. And many, many people have come through the bonus round with their dignity unaltered or even enhanced - look for the recent 6 hour bonus round client, who had every escrow agent cheering at his rock-solid humanity, humour and decency.

Your reference to gays implies that this form of torture (erotica 1s actions) is acceptable by a human but currently misunderstood.

There is no misunderstanding here. The actions are blatent, the actions are in no way positive to any persons involves and there is no child on the planet that carries out these actions in view of a proud parent.

Or are you saying that people are correct to speak of gay people like this?

To scam people. It is a major part of the game. And it is fine.


But to act like a sociopath behind the safety of a computer screen? Not cool, and it gives EvE a horrible name in the eyes of non-players.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be apart of a community like that.

LMFAO

i did not send 200mill

No he wasn't saying it is correct. Malcanis specifically linked it to the recent laws and discussion in the Russian Federation.

You only have to look at some of the statements of President Putin to see the truth of what he was pointing to, that some people do view statements like that as correct.

Not that much...
First they can search posts by IP address then they can see connections via payment methods (credit cards\ main buying plex to their alts etc....).

First we have Mittani encouraging people to get some miner to commit suicide on a microphone at fanfest.

Then we have sadistic perverts abusing others over computers.


Why is this **** tolerated???

To address Sibyyl's direct questions:



And if this was the extent of what happened here, I would have no problem with any of it. A punter gambled his ISK and lost. This ties in with the next point below.



Correct. And rightly so. CCP should not reimburse people for doing silly things like choosing to hand over their in-game money or items. It matters if it extends outside the game because within, chats and trades are logged and can be investigated. Not for purposes of reimbursal, but to investigate if an ethical breach of the EULA has occurred and action should be taken against characters using racial slurs, harassment, threats of violence etc.



To relate this as an analogy, the distinction I'm advocating is that EVE assets can have as real a perceived value as any other asset. This is why we get that adrenaline shake in EVE combat and that genuine sense of loss sometimes when our stuff gets blowed up. That a real life victim of fraud or extortion 'chooses' to give the perpetrator their assets doesn't mean they're not a victim.

Yes, Sohkar should have realised what was going on, chalk up the loss, limit the damage and go on with his game. But it's not just greed at work here. Yes, that's the initial hook, but then the skillful social and psychological manipulation results in the humiliation of a person and not of a character in a game.

I would not argue that maybe some people take this attachment too seriously and assign too high a value to their virtual space wealth, but that the effect that these virtual assets can be put to in manipulation can be no different to me asking to look at your iPhone and then holding onto it unless you sing for me. Or get your wife to plead for it. You could give it up and go get a new iPhone easily enough.



Agreed. I bolded the part in your quote that I think is indisputable. I believe this is the point of this discussion (which maybe would not have occurred had Jester not publicised it)



Well, there's the rub. I believe it is morally reprehensible because I believe it crosses into the meta-game and ceases being about space pixels, a character and funny money and stuff in a spaceship game and becomes about the targeted debasement of a person for amusement.

Equally, I do believe that the racial and threatening outbursts are equally reprehensible (even though apologies were made.)

With 'edgy' comedians or musicians (I'm a fan of the Doug Anthony All Stars myself) they have been plenty of situations where they have gotten themselves into legal trouble because they crossed a line from entertainment and implicit consent into offense (as a legal term rather than personal taste)