EVE General Discussion

Fyi , **** and torture comparisons are completely and utterly ridiculous and offensive.
Seriously get your **** together with this.
It's a game, I know a couple of victims, thies comparisons deminish the severity of both and loose the community respect by the letter.

Attacking the source because you cannot defend your position

I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing.

Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it.
Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it.

Aren't you all justifying Hitler?

[edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word?

Is it telling that the vast majority of the insults and pseudo psychology are being tossed out by the side trying to claim the moral high ground??

Irony, not just something that happens in a blacksmiths.

After over 120 pages I got few points I want to make.

First of all let's take a step back and think what's make Eve > Eve and why people play this game over other games.
Many would argue that "Sandbox" features and Social aspect are what makes it but I'll argue that they are not.
There are probably loads of other games out there (video games or not) which allows you to scam people and take their stuff, hell Even while playing monopoly I used to scam people with "sweet" deals in order to take their money but what do we have here that other games don't?

First Eve Online is an online universe which runs on single server for over 10 years. People forget that investing time in video games can be an emotional thing and you get attached to your fruits of labor as that is your hobby.
I played number of online games but so far only Eve Online (as far as I can tell) will still be here so even when I take a break I can come back exactly to where I left it at.
Secondly Eve is HUGE Space society simulator, what other games have such a huge universe to explore and how many of those are actually in space?
Next is the complexity of things, from training skills to using stuff in the proper way it's not simple ! Let's say I found some nice peace of item I want to sell in other games I would have just sold it on general in game eBay but here from contracts through regional markets and considering reprocessing vs selling vs keeping it while waiting for future patch to change the economy each and every thing is complex enough to keep you interested.
Game is also ever expanding with more expansions packs adding new activities and systems to it, one can never try the full extent of the game with 1 character and that's such an amazing thing people probably don't thing about, I've played other games where I've experienced full game's content in less then 3 months :X
And one of the most important thing is PLEX, on one hand you can use extra unused in game currency t purchase 30 days sub from other players on the other hand if u need some more isks just purchase a plex and sell it for in game currency, this is an ingenious system which many other games lacks or do terribly.

Considering all of those we get the skeleton of Eve Online as a game and why some people would like to play this game over others. Now to the soul of it or what people call "Emergent Gameplay".
In Eve people can abuse the system to do whatever they want within the limitations of the game, which is pretty amazing. Add some RP into it and you get some sick sick things which many people didn't even thought about like corporation spies, suicide gankers, pirates and more. What's common to all of those things are that they takes place within the game and uses the game mechanics.

Now Let's go back to the issue at hand,
I personally find "New Order" thingy an Emergent gameplay... nice RP, decent use of game mechanics and spicing up the mining market in highsec. I personally DO NOT find what we've seen here with Erotica 1 recording as an emergent gameplay or any kind of gameplay at all.
Scamming with doubling scam is pretty much ok by me and I'm sure it's ok by many other eve players as it cleans the gene pool from those born less fortunate but the moment the "Bonus Room" game moved from Eve Client into Teamspeak and the conversation was recorded it's plain sick behavior because the thing here was not an actual gameplay within Eve as a game it was a psychological game on some other method of communication, Worst of it they actually made fun and laughed on that poor not so smart pleb, where is the sporting spirit?
When a ganker tries to gank me and fails we cheer at each other keeping it civil and preparing for the next round learning from it so next time will be more challenging for both parties, When I once tried to gank miners (Boring as it was) I even bought my target new mining ship instead of the one I've blown.... overall you took his stuff and made fun of him after that.

Question is how exactly doing what's done makes it part of Eve Online game? You only met the guy there and once you took all of his stuff everything moved into TS, on same level you could have done this on any other game or even just at random forum or Facebook group or something.
For me it's down to what kind of person are you, we are playing in this online game which allows many activities which are not available in other places.... But even while shooting other people or when other people shoots at me I keep it civil and I do not humiliate people or makes fun of them. There is a line not to be crossed as person to person and in the action displayed here that line was (by my opinion) crossed.

Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p

Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.

That is written in the style of Divine Entervention (nothing against him. He adds color to the forum as many of us do).

But I bet you don't think you are engaging in stupidity and you can be certain that those you are arguing with don't think they are either.

This kind of language, in addition to just continuing to spiral the thread further, will not be read in the way you think you mean it to be.

No one wins with this sort of discourse.

And how do you know the bonus room isn't highly regulated? (Spoiler, Erotica 1 takes them very seriously and adheres to a very strict set of rules) You wouldn't even be calling this bullying if the contestant had won (and yes, there HAVE been winners in the past). The contestant simply decided that he didn't want to show full faith and quit, forfeiting his money