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Kyperion
#2521 - 2014-03-26 11:44:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Galdrak wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I certainly do hope many of my critics here take the time to read www.minerbumping.com because you will find thousands of examples of utter filth spewed by highsec miners.

I assure you, we are the good guys. Take a look.



good guys >.< . only in your head your a good guy. to me your just a scammer who went too far because you could. you pushed that dude so far he lost it totally and you step back and say he is the one to blame. i bet you are smiling as you read everything posted in this thread.


If you can't take responsibility for yourself and have a little self control over virtual assets in a ******* video game then yes, you are to blame. The ONLY one to blame, for handing those assets over consensually in the first place, and jumping on TS consensually to get them back.


Its fuckheads like you, who would blame a Woman for getting raped because she was 'too pretty'!


No, and I'm getting tired of this analogy because it demonstrates the user's lack of brain capacity. A ****, by definition, is non-consensual, and DOES NOT APPLY as an analogy to something where EXPLICIT (not implied, not implicit, EXPLICIT) consent is given. Stop frothing at the mouth and start using your ******* brains people. Or did they all come out dissolved in the froth already?

You can call me all the names you want, it won't matter to me at all and it won't change the facts. Do you know how many things creationists, antivaxxers and geocentrists call me on an almost daily basis? If it's ad homs you're after, you've got some catching up to do. All it does is demonstrate that you're emotional. Emotion creates bias, bias kills rational discourse.


Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2522 - 2014-03-26 11:44:35 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I'm going to do something I knew I should have done hours ago... get a couple hours of sleep. Don't worry, I'll bookmark my place.

Enjoy your sleep

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#2523 - 2014-03-26 11:44:36 UTC
Kyperion wrote:


No, if the actions had been confined to in game scamming, you might be correct in blaming the victim for being a fool.

But when these actions go so far afoul of any kind of human decency, and he has demonstrated time and again his willingness to cross them... No we are dealing with the same kind of 'blame the victim' mentality that is personified by people without morals.


No, mate.... you are a tool and an assclown. You are using sensationalist arguments designed to demonize your opponent by comparing them to something truly heinous, because you have nothing else to say to back up your original claims.

I swear, Godwin should have extended his law to a lot more than just referencing some short angry Austrian dude.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#2524 - 2014-03-26 11:46:25 UTC
Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Salvos Rhoska
#2525 - 2014-03-26 11:46:39 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Oh God, ask me in a 3 page thread, not 125 lol

The question remains unanswered.

Let me refresh your memory:

Big Lynx wrote:
Fourth attempt:

Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2526 - 2014-03-26 11:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
The funny thing is I already gave the very answers they seek, just a few pages back.


Where is it?

You have not answered it.

If you claim otherwise you would seem to be having an imaginary conversation.
Nowhere here in this thread have you answered it.
Believe me, I know. I've been here from the start.

There's a couple of long posts a few pages back. Somewhere around 2350 or something like that I think.

Probably easier to check Ero's post history.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2527 - 2014-03-26 11:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kyperion wrote:


Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'


You should try reading what I said, because that is not what I said at all. As for pedophilia, it can't be consensual because children aren't consenting adults, as defined by law.

You really need to stop dribbling strawmen and maybe go smoke a bud or something, dude. Can't do any more damage to your brain at this stage.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#2528 - 2014-03-26 11:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Erotica 1 wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I am a CEO of a CODEdot corporation who requires Code compliancy in the bonus rounds, which are being called all sorts terrible names right now, yet you have clear and irrefutable evidence linked by me of thousands of hateful, racist, and otherwise vile comments throw around.

The only misdirection is away from your witch hunt and toward the heart of the matter.


Haha.
You got what you wished for.
And just because now you are carefully posting doesn't make you a nice or good person.

The more I read your posts the more I'm convinced you do have some sort of issues especially that after failed attempts to derail the thread now you went onto counter offensive instead of just saying **** sorry I went too far.

Too late for that though. Just pray that somebody doesn't have too much time on his hands to actually go on a crusade to make your life similar to what you do to your victims but in RL this time.


ugh, more veiled threats.


You have real issues with differentiating facts from your tunnel vision rainbow world.

I'm not threating you. I just want CCP to get rid of people that push others to a point in which they break because this is a VIDEO GAME not a fishing lake for people with the sole intent of harassing/bullying others in a thought out manner to avoid CCPs ban hammer.
If this would stay in game I wouldn't say **** but you made it where it is now and sometimes there's just too much water in that glass.

I know what you are desperately trying to do now and many people in your current position would do same but denial isn't constructive nor allows you to evolve.
Step back and actually try to see what people are saying without being butthurt by literally a consequence of your own actions.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2529 - 2014-03-26 11:48:57 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh



I have seen you post many times in the past contradictory to this statement of being gentle and kind.

I can claim to be 7ft 9 blue and live on the moon does not make it accurate or true

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2530 - 2014-03-26 11:49:07 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'
None of this belongs in this thread or on this forum at all.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#2531 - 2014-03-26 11:49:32 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?



No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid.
Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco.

I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Kyperion
#2532 - 2014-03-26 11:50:22 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh


Attempting to rationalize your depravity behind walls of ignorance.... Not fooling anyone but yourself.

Go look in the mirror for a long time when you get up.

Determine if you want to be an authentic genuine human being, or continue wallowing in filth.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2533 - 2014-03-26 11:50:42 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:


You have real issues with differentiating facts from your tunnel vision rainbow world.

I know what you are desperately trying to do now and many people in your current position would do same but denial isn't constructive nor allows you to evolve.
Step back and actually try to see what people are saying without being butthurt by literally a consequence to your own actions.


So many words, so little point or meaning in them. It's almost like trying to read something by John Bunyan.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2534 - 2014-03-26 11:51:53 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh


Attempting to rationalize your depravity behind walls of ignorance.... Not fooling anyone but yourself.



Pot, meet kettle.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2535 - 2014-03-26 11:52:05 UTC
Does anyone else find it ironic that Erotica 1 on the one hand claims that anyone can search the Internet to find out how the Bonus Room works (thus ignorance is no excuse), but on the other hand "conveniently" didn't know that he needed an up-to-date passport to be part of CSM, even though the requirement is spelled out in the publicly available application criteria for the last three CSMs?

I knew this, and I'm just a hi sec carebear.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Nijaza
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2536 - 2014-03-26 11:53:06 UTC
I just read the blog, listened to the soundcloud thing, and just wanted to say this.

This is a game about spaceships and the people that fly them.

That "bonus room" **** is not EVE. Regardless of whether or not Erotica succeeded in getting all that guy's stuff or not, its clear they they did it for "lols". Scamming is a part of EVE. Doing things for "lols' is also a big part. But that "bonus room" crap isn't. This is a sandbox, not some twisted mental Teamspeak S & M chamber.

It's people like that ( as well as the dumb!@#s who fall for their crap) that really **** me off. Id like to see them try that kinda stuff in RL in some of the places where I have lived, they would have gotten messed up, bad.

Honestly, its not funny and heres why. Clearly EVE can be a bigger part in some peoples lives then others. This guy lost all his stuff and he freaked out about it. Manipulating him so you can laugh a couple times is wrong. Its ugly. It casts a ugly shadow on this game.

While CCP builds some monument in Iceland, they tolerate this kinda crap. The sandbox argument is weak. Yes, the guy was an idiot to hand over his API, his stuff, yadayada, but the manipulation of him is whats the problem here. What if something worse happened. What if he was mentally unstable and hurt himself or others? Its easy to write that off as over the top, but stranger stuff has happened from much less pressure.

THE SIMPLE FACT THAT HE POSTED THIS FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, a kind of Look at me action, is enough reason to take reasonable actions against his account. We learn these lessons in kindergarten, just because we are all now old dorks flying spaceships, with lives, families, RL obligations, DOES NOT mean those lessons should be disregarded. I know Eve is not the friendliest gaming environment, I know its not a kindergarten classroom. Its also not real. AT ALL. The people playing it are.

As a community, we should decide whether THIS kind of crap is ok or not ok. Unfortunately, I believe that the attention this thread, ripard teg's blog, even my post here has brought to Eroitica1 is undeserving. However it felt wrong to not say anything about this.

If nothing else, always remember: You have to work to get what you want. Handouts always have a catch.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2537 - 2014-03-26 11:53:08 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?



No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid.
Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco.

I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women.


I think we just had a bonding moment, Jarod...

I'm scared.

Hold me?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Big Lynx
#2538 - 2014-03-26 11:54:11 UTC
My closing comment:

id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:

For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.

1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.

Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.

closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#2539 - 2014-03-26 11:54:26 UTC
Alright, I have given up on trying to catch up with this one. Sorry, I just don't have the stamina to read 120-odd pages of forum nonsense posted in less than a day. Nevertheless, I will have my say.

I can't really claim to know Erotica 1 well, but I have chatted with him from time to time and always found him to be friendly and helpful. I have never sat in on a bonus room round, mainly because I know them to be 2-4 hour ordeals, and my game time is so limited that I prefer to spend it blapping people's imaginary spaceships. I have listened to snippets of recorded bonus rounds, and chuckled at them, comfortable in the knowledge that everyone involved is a consenting adult.

The alleged "victims" can simply choose to shut down the computer and go outside for some fresh air and exercise at any point. I know that's what I would do in their shoes. If they do choose to participate, they have nothing to lose but a few hours of their time, and a bit of imaginary play money. If they choose to stick it out, and aren't afraid to be a little silly, they can even potentially win a large sum of equally worthless imaginary Spacebucks.

I will say this about Erotica 1. He has never called me the n-word, nor any other racial, ethnic, or religious slur. Nor has any other member of the Minerbumping or Belligerent Undesirables communities. Nor has Erotica 1 ever threatened to hunt me down in real life, or to hunt down members of my family. From my acquaintance with him, I don't believe that it would ever occur to him that it might be acceptable to do these things.

Yet since I made the decision about a year ago to play this role-playing game as a criminal character, and took up suicide ganking, scamming, miner extortion, wardecs, and corporate infiltration, I have been called racial, ethnic, religious, and homophobic slurs almost daily. I have been called names that would not be acceptable in any context, except perhaps a *** rally. My life and that of my family has been threatened on several occasions. And who are the people engaging in this appalling behavior? Not I, not Erotica 1, not any in-game scoundrel who enjoys blapping carebears. No, it is the carebears themselves, a number of whom have even posted damning personal attacks in this thread, as if they had any moral high ground to stand on.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2540 - 2014-03-26 11:54:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Pot, meet kettle.

Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier.

Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out?

Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone.

It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop.