EVE General Discussion

CNN? Wow, that's taking a petty grudge too far. Only a sociopath would go that far.

I have no desire to read through 100+ pages of this especially considering the amount of personal attacks and trolling just on the 1st page. But here's my 2 isk:

The victim here showed incredibly naivete and/or greed in letting himself get scammed so badly. I was facepalming in the first few minutes of the recording. The issue here however is the bullying. Had they merely scammed the guy and then said: "Thanks for your isk see ya later, try not to be so gullible next time" then I would have been okay about it. While legal liability against CCP would be rather contentious (what could CCP have done to prevent this given that most of it occured on teamspeak?), it would be incredibly bad for the game's culture if CCP let this slip without at least some punishment being handed down against the cyber bullies, not the mention incredibly stupid from a PR standpoint.

2+ hours of getting a guy with a speech impediment to read intentionally long and tedious drivel while making fun of his pronunciation, making him sing songs for their own entertainment and then harassing his wife who attempted to intervene by asking them to stop is clearly and without a doubt cyber bullying and I personally don't feel it's unreasonable to say it's also tantamount to torture.

I have no desire to read through 100+ pages of this especially considering the amount of personal attacks and trolling just on the 1st page. But here's my 2 isk:

The victim here showed incredibly naivete and/or greed in letting himself get scammed so badly. I was facepalming in the first few minutes of the recording. The issue here however is the bullying. Had they merely scammed the guy and then said: "Thanks for your isk see ya later, try not to be so gullible next time" then I would have been okay about it. While legal liability against CCP would be rather contentious (what could CCP have done to prevent this given that most of it occured on teamspeak?), it would be incredibly bad for the game's culture if CCP let this slip without at least some punishment being handed down against the cyber bullies, not the mention incredibly stupid from a PR standpoint.

2+ hours of getting a guy with a speech impediment to read intentionally long and tedious drivel while making fun of his pronunciation, making him sing songs for their own entertainment and then harassing his wife who attempted to intervene by asking them to stop is clearly and without a doubt cyber bullying and I personally don't feel it's unreasonable to say it's also tantamount to torture.

So this DJ guy gets raging mad at me. Others can tell you who he is, most will get the reference. Anyway, I had the misfortune of having gotten on his radar and nothing I could say would calm this guy down. I was told to drop my CSM run and do a number of things otherwise they would expose some real life dirt they found on me, since I had released my NAME to address the people thinking the CSM thing was a troll. I had no idea people would stoop this low over internet spaceships. (oops again.)

If I get one more iota of harassment of this I will release the blackmailers eve-online name. Most people can guess.

Like a moron, I caved in to every single demand. I posted what they wanted me to say on goon forums. I sent silly apology mails, etc etc. You could say it was a taste of my own medicine notched up a bit. I felt this was the prudent approach, yet the onslaught against me continued and escalated, which led me to believe I made the wrong choice. I should have made a stand then. Instead, I took a breather from the limelight.

Guys, there were never any "mayo" pics. There were no underage girls, etc. In the campaign TS event I held, a BU guy's adult girlfriend linked racy pics with "ERO4CSM" written on her body. I did NOT ask for these. I do NOT have these saved. In her words, she "wanted to give nerds something to fap to." Look, I'm not complaining at all... I'm sure many nerds did "fap" to them to be quite honest. There were some funny pics with the clients' FACES OBSCURED with a sign. We said, look, if you want to link a pic that would be funny, but for God's sake, don't make it personally identifiable. Hold up a funny sign over your face. One of those is the Yodaknows pic on minerbumping. Like I said, only a handful, and they are extremely tame. Yeah one guy did write "Erotica 1" in peanut butter on his chest. Funny, gross, and totally not identifiable to the person.

The "dirt" isn't even all that big of a deal, just downright embarrassing. Some years ago, I sold some resale rights stuff online to make some cash. Made some money, cool. Anyway, a guy complains. I look into it, see he's right, apologize and refund his money. I spoke to a rights owner and straightened things out.

So, you're saying Darius Johnson aka former CCP Sreegs blackmailed you? I assume you have some proof of this?

Actually they can.

None of that **** matters. What does matter is this:

"CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill."

Malcanis, I love the job you do on the CSM, and I agree 100% with your point about banning people for non-rulebreaking behaviour, but your bullying as homosexuality metaphor here is a huge stretch, not very helpful, and kind of offensive on its own.

I personally think that Erotica 1's behaviour in the audio log is reprehensible and reflects very poorly on him as a human being. I take on the personality of a pirate with no moral compass when I play this game, and I think that the ISK doubling scam is a great one that I support entirely. But, when I am interacting with other EVE players (rather than their characters) I treat them with the same kindness and respect I would any other human being.

There is definitely a line crossed here where this interaction is no longer about EVE in any way and is just one group of out-of-game people bullying another out-of-game person. They are delighting in the distress of his wife, for god's sake.

I don't think Erotica 1 should be banned. I would theoretically love to see a rules change to make this sort of thing bannable, but in practice that's a terrible rabbit hole to go down and entirely unenforceable besides.

What we CAN do, is reflect as a community and decide whether this is something we are really comfortable with. What we can do is stop believing that defending the amazing concept of the true sandbox means we have to defend the behaviour Erotica 1 displays on TS here. This is not a long con, it is bullying. It's real-world harassment. Please don't use my game as a casting call for real world torture victims.

So, you're saying Darius Johnson aka former CCP Sreegs blackmailed you? I assume you have some proof of this?