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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#1901 - 2014-03-26 04:33:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You have agreed that TS3 does not belong under the EULA, hence it is not "ingame", meaning any scam that is extended from within the game to outside of it, to TS3, becomes a legal liability vested in the person, not the character, as it is no longer under the auspices of the games context and EULA.

The scam within EVE, turns into a crime when you take it out of EVE.

You can't scam people IRL. Only in EVE.

Now answer the questions, since you seem to have been complicit in this.


Oh I see, you're trying to play little semantic tricks here.

Fact is: You can't scam people out of something that they do not even own. None of his assets are owned by him, only CCP.

It is not criminal to scam people out of virtual currency. If it is, by all means: Call the police.

Let us know how it works out.


Haha I love how you are all "answer ready" and replying full steam.
Keep digging bro. You're doing a fine job and make it easier for everybody that will have to go through it :D
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1902 - 2014-03-26 04:34:16 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.


There I was on page 1 with an "IB4L".

Puts hands on face and shakes in shame....


Talk about jumping the gun.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1903 - 2014-03-26 04:34:20 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
---]

You should be the first against the wall, for sharing that abomination of cancer.
YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME?


Now we're getting somewhere... "first against the wall"... nice.. let it all out Sohkar.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1904 - 2014-03-26 04:34:49 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Reading this thread reinforces, at least in my mind, the degree to which the eve community is sheltered from the "normal" online world.

Consider your typical call of duty lobby on xbox live:
-You've probably got no less than three 30 year old white supremacists ranting about the plight of the oppressed white man and how obama is the root of all evil.
-Little Timmy, The twelve year old that banged every mother in the world, living or dead.
-The faux-millitary type that will use their training and connections to find you and kill your entire family because your a wall-haxx0r.
-The dude on your team spamming an audio-mix from some terrible porno for the entire match.
-The guy that tells everyone to go kill themselves.
-The "fake" sexual predator, jokingly making a pass at little timmy.

Compared to that, Eve players are the pinnacle of restraint and sophistication.


This happens on Xbox Live?!?!??!?!?!

Im calling CNN, FOXnews, MSNBC, Al-jazeera, BBC and any number of other acronyms to inform them! Ill also let Microsoft know, as well as the Chinese subcontractors who build the consoles know, as well as all 23 ISPs in my area know, and I just text my grandmother...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1905 - 2014-03-26 04:35:21 UTC
As someone who has done a fair bit of eve pestering myself (of the theiving and spying variety) I have to say Ero is a fantastic social engineer and CREATES the content which makes eve great.

However if you still fall for his scams after the massive reputation ero himself has and the reputation of "isk scams" in general in eve then eve probably isnt the game for you... as shown by the recordings ero releases.
Pew Terror
All of it
#1906 - 2014-03-26 04:35:40 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:


Apologist much.

Hey guys its ok to stand up on a panel at EVE FEST broadcast around the world, and tell a kid to kill himself, as long as you apologize.

But a POX be upon you if you "A known Scammer" Scam someone via TS3.


This is nothing to do with their scamming. It is to do with their RL harassment & abuse of a PERSON.
Note the key point here, they were not doing actions to someones in game avatar. They were directly abusing a PERSON.
Using blackmail in order to keep them there to be abused.

The fact the blackmail in this case happened to be digital goods does not excuse that type of behaviour.


This is exactly what should be discussed here.
Not who did what (this should not be a witchhunt on a certain player here, but define what the boundary is for this EvE meta).
Not how laymen think an EULA works.

The sole point here is about the difference between doing things in an online game to the virtual avatar of another player versus the targeted abuse of a real human being behind a computer screen.

Personally i think the matter that leads to someone knowingly targeting another individual human to cause him psychological or physical harm is irrelevant. We all rage in computer games and have times were it seems not so fun, but it is still at its core entertainment for every single individual that engages in it.
While i would personally take another player for all he got, kill him repeatedly and dance on his corpse, the moment i would think to myself of how i would make the actual person behind it miserable by any means necessary is undeniably despicable in a modern society.

tl;dr: Punch person in face in game -yes. Punch person in face in RL - no. Learn the difference.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1907 - 2014-03-26 04:36:58 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You have agreed that TS3 does not belong under the EULA, hence it is not "ingame", meaning any scam that is extended from within the game to outside of it, to TS3, becomes a legal liability vested in the person, not the character, as it is no longer under the auspices of the games context and EULA.

The scam within EVE, turns into a crime when you take it out of EVE.

You can't scam people IRL. Only in EVE.

Now answer the questions, since you seem to have been complicit in this.


Oh I see, you're trying to play little semantic tricks here.

Fact is: You can't scam people out of something that they do not even own. None of his assets are owned by him, only CCP.

It is not criminal to scam people out of virtual currency. If it is, by all means: Call the police.

Let us know how it works out.


Haha I love how you are all "answer ready" and replying full steam.
Keep digging bro. You're doing a fine job and make it easier for everybody that will have to go through it :D


Okay, I will. :)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1908 - 2014-03-26 04:37:11 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's so appalling that I feel compelled to warn others not to associate with this game.

Haven't you been doing that for weeks now?
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1909 - 2014-03-26 04:37:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Perharps it is time to had in the EULA a article about psychological harassment...


Making it about something as unabashedly subjective as that, is fraught with peril. That being, it's a stupid idea. I have a stack of saved evemails that would enable me to ban/blackmail nearly everyone who sent them.

I know other "griefers" keep similar trophies.


So you are a griefer who is engaging in the discussion so that no potential avenue, no matter how it effects others in the game, is off limits to you.

You also refer to the outpouring of pain and/or anger of your victims as trophies.

Gotcha

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Mario Putzo
#1910 - 2014-03-26 04:37:50 UTC
I got a lot of likes from this thread.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#1911 - 2014-03-26 04:38:10 UTC
Alec Freeman wrote:
As someone who has done a fair bit of eve pestering myself (of the theiving and spying variety) I have to say Ero is a fantastic social engineer and CREATES the content which makes eve great.

However if you still fall for his scams after the massive reputation ero himself has and the reputation of "isk scams" in general in eve then eve probably isnt the game for you... as shown by the recordings ero releases.


This is the userbase CCP wishes to side with? The type of people who's rhetoric is "GTFO of EVE!"

CCP is a business. Why should they choose to side with people who's goal is to drive others out of the game, when it directly contradicts CCP's desire to have more people drawn in?

There should be a place in EvE for everyone. People who advocate others leaving should be the first to be put on a "unable to talk on forums" list.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1912 - 2014-03-26 04:38:31 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.


Naa. You are all going down. First you will all go down in EVE, then Teamspeak will do a little bit of digging.... Maybe even media will pick this up...

And then some young prosecutor somewhere, eager to prove his/her mettle, will pick up the case.

Good idea actually, I will send this case to a couple of US NGOs that deal with cyber bullying. You can always count on americans for this sort of thing, one thing i admire about our southern neighbour.


Im sorry..are you threatening me now? Lets get back to burning Ero at the stake before we hunt another witch ok?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Salvos Rhoska
#1913 - 2014-03-26 04:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Xuixien wrote:
Oh I see, you're trying to play little semantic tricks here.

Fact is: You can't scam people out of something that they do not even own. None of his assets are owned by him, only CCP.

It is not criminal to scam people out of virtual currency in a game. If it is, by all means: Call the police.

Let us know how it works out.


Oh my. OH MY :D

Is that what you think is your loophole out of this?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

The assets or ownership of them is not material in what potential felonies this constitutes :)
Is that what you think its about? Spacebucks?

And what happens in TS3, is no longer in the game, remember?

You really have no idea at the implications do you?

I have to take it back. You peeps have been even more stupid in how you built this, than your victims are for falling for it.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1914 - 2014-03-26 04:39:18 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Perharps it is time to had in the EULA a article about psychological harassment...


Making it about something as unabashedly subjective as that, is fraught with peril. That being, it's a stupid idea. I have a stack of saved evemails that would enable me to ban/blackmail nearly everyone who sent them.

I know other "griefers" keep similar trophies.


So you are a griefer who is engaging in the discussion so that no potential avenue, no matter how it effects others in the game, is off limits to you.

You also refer to the outpouring of pain and/or anger of your victims as trophies.

Gotcha


No, I'm saying that when I gank someone, and they send me an evemail a few hours later suggesting that I get ass cancer and die a slow and painful death, that I save it for later in case I feel the need to use it against them.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1915 - 2014-03-26 04:39:24 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I got a lot of likes from this thread.


I just gave you another. I hope that doesn't upset anyone.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1916 - 2014-03-26 04:39:29 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I got a lot of likes from this thread.


Me too! I'm addicted to fake internet points now. No one better get between me and my fake internet points, or I'm going to rage bro and will be all your faults!

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1917 - 2014-03-26 04:39:31 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Alec Freeman wrote:
As someone who has done a fair bit of eve pestering myself (of the theiving and spying variety) I have to say Ero is a fantastic social engineer and CREATES the content which makes eve great.

However if you still fall for his scams after the massive reputation ero himself has and the reputation of "isk scams" in general in eve then eve probably isnt the game for you... as shown by the recordings ero releases.


This is the userbase CCP wishes to side with? The type of people who's rhetoric is "GTFO of EVE!"

CCP is a business. Why should they choose to side with people who's goal is to drive others out of the game, when it directly contradicts CCP's desire to have more people drawn in?

There should be a place in EvE for everyone. People who advocate others leaving should be the first to be put on a "unable to talk on forums" list.


By driving one man from eve you get two more who begin to play because they want something different from the norm of spoon feeding MMOs.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#1918 - 2014-03-26 04:39:54 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
It's so appalling that I feel compelled to warn others not to associate with this game.

Haven't you been doing that for weeks now?


The same amount of time you've been following me around yapping at me begging for scraps.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1919 - 2014-03-26 04:40:06 UTC
I sent this story to The National Crime Prevention Council in the USA.

These guys ran a nation-wide campaign against cyber bullying not too long ago in partnership with the justice department.

We shall see if they start digging.

Guys that disapprove of the CCPs stance on the matter, do your part, send out this story and Jester's blog to the different NGOs that you can think of.

One of them is bound to dig.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1920 - 2014-03-26 04:40:35 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I got a lot of likes from this thread.


A few more and I'll be up to above 3 hundred. And I missed pages 12-60 entirely, I have no posts there as I was asleep for that 5 hour period.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.