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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1781 - 2014-03-26 03:45:23 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Actually I will write to teamspeak, tell them their platform is used by online predators to lure and abuse victims.

Not a bad idea. See how E1 likes that.

I will also mention to TS3 that CCP does nothing to stamp this sort of **** out. Then we will see how TS3 reacts.



Please do.

Let us know how it works out for you.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1782 - 2014-03-26 03:46:15 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
"Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative." would hint that the victim is up for account action because he dinged every single one of those definitions during his rants, not Erotica.


Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

He also violated wiretap statutes in nearly every state by recording the guy without consent. In many US states that is felony by the way. And engaging in criminal activity within the game is a bannable offense.

So he trolled someone. How is this to be policed effectively?

I am under the understanding that Ero always gets consent to broadcast the conversations. Just checked, after the first minute Ero clearly states that the conversation is being recorded and refers to an earlier conversation regarding the matter. It seems he didn't miss that important point this time.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Mario Putzo
#1783 - 2014-03-26 03:46:34 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Actually I will write to teamspeak, tell them their platform is used by online predators to lure and abuse victims.

Not a bad idea. See how E1 likes that.

I will also mention to TS3 that CCP does nothing to stamp this sort of **** out. Then we will see how TS3 reacts.



Ignore it, because they don't give a **** what is said on comms people pay for.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1784 - 2014-03-26 03:46:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Some of the dialogue is hilarious. I draw the line at the picture taking, to be honest.


I draw the line at threatening to harm someone if they don't contract over all their spacepixels to me. Luckily that hasn't happened here.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1785 - 2014-03-26 03:48:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.


He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.


Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.


I especially loved the death threats and when he smashed his desk. I was worried he'd damage his computer and D/C.

The thing is people do win the bonus room, as long as they don't... threaten to kill people or quit. This client really was near the end of the round (only thing left was Alpha pods), and he would have gotten all his ISK back + enough to buy a new character and a load of ships.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1786 - 2014-03-26 03:48:10 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Actually I will write to teamspeak, tell them their platform is used by online predators to lure and abuse victims.

Not a bad idea. See how E1 likes that.

I will also mention to TS3 that CCP does nothing to stamp this sort of **** out. Then we will see how TS3 reacts.



Please do.

Let us know how it works out for you.


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#1787 - 2014-03-26 03:48:12 UTC
I guess this could be the natural evolution of EVE, the scammers safely docked up and immune to true EVE retribution are finally getting called to the carpet, and they are not happy. There is no deadspace or officer tank that can protect them from this court of public opinion, and the jury is angry, it sure looks like they are about to get ganked.

Time to make more popcorn.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Salvos Rhoska
#1788 - 2014-03-26 03:48:50 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
[---


You didn't answer though.
Don't think I didn't notice ;)

Do you think what happens in the "Bonus Room" is subject to the EULA?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1789 - 2014-03-26 03:48:51 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

Meh, if that were true, then Goonwarm would have quit en masse over the mittani scandal.



Even we cringed when he said it. It wasn't permabannable because we also knew just how drunk he was.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#1790 - 2014-03-26 03:48:56 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:


I am under the understanding that Ero always gets consent to broadcast the conversations. Just checked, after the first minute Ero clearly states that the conversation is being recorded and refers to an earlier conversation regarding the matter. It seems he didn't miss that important point this time.


You are correct, I went to listen to it again. I have retracted that part of my statement.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1791 - 2014-03-26 03:49:01 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Some of the dialogue is hilarious. I draw the line at the picture taking, to be honest.


I draw the line at threatening to harm someone if they don't contract over all their spacepixels to me. Luckily that hasn't happened here.


Yep. And just because I personally don't like it, doesn't mean I can't just shrug and move on. I dislike irl pictures, my history is plain as to why. To each their own, literally.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1792 - 2014-03-26 03:49:53 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?



I have been invited to join by people that obviously never read my posts too closely.

Nonetheless, I felt the need to somehow rebrand myself as the thought that someone felt I might find it entertaining to witness stuff that would make a normal person sick to their stomach made me feel more than a little dirty. Then I remembered that it's not me that's the psycho so why should I have to change. And here I am still being me.

Mr Epeen Cool
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1793 - 2014-03-26 03:49:56 UTC
And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1794 - 2014-03-26 03:50:15 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.
Frankly all this reminds me of the Belgian Pedo-circle debacle.
Bunch of perverts trying to protect and yet hide their activities all at once.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.


Raising my hand:

I listen to and thoroughly enjoy listening to live Bonus Rounds and their recordings afterwards.


I applaud your courage in admitting you have a problem. Perhaps one day you'll be able to look in a mirror and see a human being looking back at you. Sadly, I suspect that Erotica1 has a long way to go before he can do the same.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1795 - 2014-03-26 03:50:30 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
"Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative." would hint that the victim is up for account action because he dinged every single one of those definitions during his rants, not Erotica.


Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

He also violated wiretap statutes in nearly every state by recording the guy without consent. In many US states that is felony by the way. And engaging in criminal activity within the game is a bannable offense.

So he trolled someone. How is this to be policed effectively?

I am under the understanding that Ero always gets consent to broadcast the conversations. Just checked, after the first minute Ero clearly states that the conversation is being recorded and refers to an earlier conversation regarding the matter. It seems he didn't miss that important point this time.


He never does miss that important point, I can promise that. Great care has been taken to make sure no rules, CCP, local, or international, are being violated. Trust me on that.

If you don't hear it in a particular recording, trust me, there are at least 3 people out there who have that bit. It happens at the very beginning of all Bonus Rounds, it's very clear and explicit.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1796 - 2014-03-26 03:51:09 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1797 - 2014-03-26 03:52:01 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
[---


You didn't answer though.
Don't think I didn't notice ;)

Do you think what happens in the "Bonus Room" is subject to the EULA?


You have a hard time reading, don't you?

What happens on TS3 is not subject to EVE Online's EULA or TOS. I think I said that. Let me scroll up. Oh yes, I did.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1798 - 2014-03-26 03:52:55 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.
Frankly all this reminds me of the Belgian Pedo-circle debacle.
Bunch of perverts trying to protect and yet hide their activities all at once.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.


Raising my hand:

I listen to and thoroughly enjoy listening to live Bonus Rounds and their recordings afterwards.


I applaud your courage in admitting you have a problem. Perhaps one day you'll be able to look in a mirror and see a human being looking back at you. Sadly, I suspect that Erotica1 has a long way to go before he can do the same.


Laughing at people making fools of themselves? I think that's a past time that goes way back to the dawn of recorded history.

I mean, ****, who didn't grow up watching America's Funniest Home Videos?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1799 - 2014-03-26 03:53:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1800 - 2014-03-26 03:53:43 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.


I want this to happen, purely because I want to refer to EVE as the pandaverse.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!