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stoicfaux
#1761 - 2014-03-26 03:37:15 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned. Not for breaking any particular rule, but because it causes non-trivial damage to EVE's, CCP's, (and even the player-base's) reputations.

EVE is a game that is already infamous for blurring the line between in-game and out-of-game sociopathic behavior. At some point, CCP (and the players) will need to decide what we want to be known for, otherwise we risk turning EVE's notoriety and infamy into shame and embarrassment.


More importantly, investors, present and future, don't like this kind of bad press.



It's funny cuz this "bad press" is what gets subs.

At some point "bad press" really becomes bad press. That's the concern.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1762 - 2014-03-26 03:38:25 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:


You seem scared.


Yea i know his type. Thinks people are stupid, easily manipulated, and as long as he believes he can permeate even a modicum of doubt, that he can survive there.

Thriving within the benefit of the doubt.

If he has "every" bonus room round, it's proof he's demented and associates with people like erotica1. Any and all of them need to be purged from EvE's database. If they make the choice to disprespect people, it's only justice if they're disrespected by having their platform removed from under them.


this.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1763 - 2014-03-26 03:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Already did. You must have missed it. Look back, its there


Look back, it was refuted. You failed to defend it, so it stands refuted until you can defend it.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Oh my dear XUIXUIXUI. Listen up.
First of all, the recording does not "protect you against EULA violations". That whole phrase is laughable :)


The fact that TS3 is not subject to EVE Online's EULA protects against EULA violations.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Funny to see how stupid the perpetrators of this actually are. Almost as stupid as their victims, tbh.
Second of all, implied consent=/=consent!
Third, they didn't ask for the right to distribute the recording.


Implied consent is consent.

You are bad at legalese.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I see you've watched a few law soap operas, and completely misunderstood them!
Mitigating circumstances and "plea bargains" are completely unassociated.
The judge determines what are mitigating circumstances, by interpreting and applying the law. These apply to the SENTENCING.
Lawyers make the plea bargains, these apply only to what charges are pursued against the defendant by prosecution.


And? A plea bargain is pleading guilty to a lesser charge. When there's mitigating circumstances, judges are more receptive to it. Bottom line: It's all about getting the least amount of punishment for a crime committed - ie, threats of physical violence, in your case.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#1764 - 2014-03-26 03:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.
Frankly all this reminds me of the Belgian Pedo-circle debacle.
Bunch of perverts trying to protect and yet hide their activities all at once.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1765 - 2014-03-26 03:38:56 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned. Not for breaking any particular rule, but because it causes non-trivial damage to EVE's, CCP's, (and even the player-base's) reputations.

EVE is a game that is already infamous for blurring the line between in-game and out-of-game sociopathic behavior. At some point, CCP (and the players) will need to decide what we want to be known for, otherwise we risk turning EVE's notoriety and infamy into shame and embarrassment.


More importantly, investors, present and future, don't like this kind of bad press.



It's funny cuz this "bad press" is what gets subs.

At some point "bad press" really becomes bad press. That's the concern.



Then one questions why, after such a thing had stood for as long as it had, Ripard Teg decides to make a giant issue out of it. His timing is highly suspect, and this is nothing if not a manufactured crisis on his part.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#1766 - 2014-03-26 03:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
Tor Norman wrote:
"Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative." would hint that the victim is up for account action because he dinged every single one of those definitions during his rants, not Erotica.


Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

[Retracted]
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1767 - 2014-03-26 03:39:03 UTC
Banning people because their activities are "bad press" sets a horrible precedent. You know this.
stoicfaux
#1768 - 2014-03-26 03:39:42 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

Meh, if that were true, then Goonwarm would have quit en masse over the mittani scandal.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1769 - 2014-03-26 03:40:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned. Not for breaking any particular rule, but because it causes non-trivial damage to EVE's, CCP's, (and even the player-base's) reputations.

EVE is a game that is already infamous for blurring the line between in-game and out-of-game sociopathic behavior. At some point, CCP (and the players) will need to decide what we want to be known for, otherwise we risk turning EVE's notoriety and infamy into shame and embarrassment.


More importantly, investors, present and future, don't like this kind of bad press.



It's funny cuz this "bad press" is what gets subs.

At some point "bad press" really becomes bad press. That's the concern.



Let us know when that happens, aye?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1770 - 2014-03-26 03:40:37 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
"Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative." would hint that the victim is up for account action because he dinged every single one of those definitions during his rants, not Erotica.


Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

He also violated wiretap statutes in nearly every state by recording the guy without consent. In many US states that is felony by the way. And engaging in criminal activity within the game is a bannable offense.


Someone else who didn't listen to the soudcloud self identifies.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Mario Putzo
#1771 - 2014-03-26 03:40:58 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.


I don't take kindly to being call and asshat. If I was bitchmade id report you.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1772 - 2014-03-26 03:41:59 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Banning people because their activities are "bad press" sets a horrible precedent. You know this.



But a private organization has every right to do that.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1773 - 2014-03-26 03:42:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.
Frankly all this reminds me of the Belgian Pedo-circle debacle.
Bunch of perverts trying to protect and yet hide their activities all at once.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.


Raising my hand:

I listen to and thoroughly enjoy listening to live Bonus Rounds and their recordings afterwards.

I am so glad Rip brought this to light and spread bad publicity about EVE Online to the public.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1774 - 2014-03-26 03:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Actually I will write to teamspeak, tell them their platform is used by online predators to lure and abuse victims.

Not a bad idea. See how E1 likes that.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1775 - 2014-03-26 03:43:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Banning people because their activities are "bad press" sets a horrible precedent. You know this.

But a private organization has every right to do that.

They sure do. It doesn't mean it would be a good decision.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1776 - 2014-03-26 03:43:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
How many of you ***hats are actually associated with the "Bonus Room" torture?

Louse "butbut proteshtin mah Bonus Room fappage" seem to be pouring out of the woodwork.
Frankly all this reminds me of the Belgian Pedo-circle debacle.
Bunch of perverts trying to protect and yet hide their activities all at once.

Raise your hands now so you can be counted and banned later.

The cancer of this seems to be wider than I had thought.
Good thing Rip brought it to light.


Some of the dialogue is hilarious. I draw the line at the picture taking, to be honest.

But then I've made more than my fair share of people sing the Pokemon theme song. Not the opener, either, the whole damned thing.

"Every challenge along the way, with courage I will face! I will battle every day, to claim my rightful place!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1777 - 2014-03-26 03:44:21 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
"Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative." would hint that the victim is up for account action because he dinged every single one of those definitions during his rants, not Erotica.


Erotica1 clearly targeted the guy and kept him coming back by constantly promising to give him his stuff back. He kept the guy online and baited him into the actions he took with the purpose of eliciting the frustrated and over the top rant. It was intentional.

He also violated wiretap statutes in nearly every state by recording the guy without consent. In many US states that is felony by the way. And engaging in criminal activity within the game is a bannable offense.


Someone else who didn't listen to the soudcloud self identifies.


Clearly didn't listen to the recording, since consent is giving within the first few minutes.

What compelled him to open his mouth and tell us what happened in a recording he did not even listen to... is beyond me.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1778 - 2014-03-26 03:44:45 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.


He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.


Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.
Salvos Rhoska
#1779 - 2014-03-26 03:44:55 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I don't take kindly to being call and asshat.

Dont worry, I called you a three-star-hat. Everything is a-ok.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#1780 - 2014-03-26 03:45:22 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


Someone else who didn't listen to the soudcloud self identifies.


Went back to listen to it again. You are correct, I missed that.