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Mario Putzo
#1701 - 2014-03-26 03:06:12 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is.
CCP is not a publicly traded company.


Is that true? If so, Mr. Epeen is not very smart. Pretty much why I never read or respond to his posts anymore.


Oh yeah, being one of very few profitable companies in Iceland they can just go **** it all up and go home.


Hahahah some of you seriously need to stop hiding and simply state you are E1 cause as stupid as people can be there are limits even in this matter.

You're **** E1. Stop trying to change subject with such desperation.


I was thinking of making a troll post "Confirming I am Erotica 1."

...but impersonating another player is against the rules now. LolCool


How can you be if I may or may not be.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1702 - 2014-03-26 03:07:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Some of you seem to have forgotten where the difference between the game and reality is.



The irony of you saying that made me choke laughing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1703 - 2014-03-26 03:07:22 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Note, that none of what happens on TS3 is actually being "entered into the System", ie, the EVE Client or the EVE forums or anything related to EVE.

Agreed. If Erotica is found to be breaking rules thanks to the content of the TS conversation, then so is Sohkar. Ultimately, I don't think any rules have been broken, though I'm not denying the Erotica and friends were being jerks.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#1704 - 2014-03-26 03:07:59 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dribble


Your posting is an example of why democracy is a bad idea.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1705 - 2014-03-26 03:08:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
...but not violating any rules, regulations, laws, etcetc.

Because it happens outside of the game, (and even if it happens inside it) all local and international rules, regulations and laws apply.

As I have demonstrated earlier in this thread, if any of the victims wish to make a police report on how they where treated in the TS, and/or how they where coerced into that TS, that is their prerogative. Good luck as a defendant explaining to a Judge or Jury that:
"Well, your Honor, it was a scam...!"
The hammer will drop on you instantly.

There is so much legally wrong with what Erotica1 is doing that imo it could potentially be prosecuted as any number of crimes.

Some of you seem to have forgotten where the difference between the game and reality is.

You can't go around scamming people IRL, as you do in EVE. Which is exactly what this "Bonus Room" is.
There is a massive set of complex systems that you can't even begin to imagine without years of legal studies which prevent you, me and everyone else from doing so.

Its a huge legal liability for CCP too, because who knows what could potentially culminate out of this degree of OUT OF GAME abuse of other players, including someone getting physically hurt or at worst some nut showing up to a Fanfest with a home-made pipebomb.

Just drop the garbage. The majority of the community does not want this kind of **** in their EVE experience.


You realize that all your stuff in game - your ISK, your ships, all your pixels - are not really yours, right?

They belong to CCP.

So tell me what you were scammed out of? Nothing.

Consent to being recorded and consent to broadcast: Check.

If you want to get legal... let's talk about the death threats, shall we?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1706 - 2014-03-26 03:08:25 UTC
Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Sadists who look to lure vulnerable people to emotionally **** them have no place in EVE.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1707 - 2014-03-26 03:08:39 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.

Does this mean I can get my bitcoins back???

I have no idea about your bitcoins. There are exceptions to consent and coercion. Banks requiring you to sign a contract which gives them right to penalize you with late fee's or otherwise not allowing you to open an account I guess is coercion. Even though you don't agree with the late fee's being unable to open an account, which is a requirement to live coerces you into signing the agreement for example.

But I don't think that applies to the consent to publish embarrassing and humiliating material on a public forum or you lose all your stuff. I think that'd be a hard one to get past a magistrate or judge if you were sued.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1708 - 2014-03-26 03:09:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
...but not violating any rules, regulations, laws, etcetc.

Because it happens outside of the game, (and even if it happens inside it) all local and international rules, regulations and laws apply.

As I have demonstrated earlier in this thread, if any of the victims wish to make a police report on how they where treated in the TS, and/or how they where coerced into that TS, that is their prerogative. Good luck as a defendant explaining to a Judge or Jury that:
"Well, your Honor, it was a scam...!"
The hammer will drop on you instantly.

There is so much legally wrong with what Erotica1 is doing that imo it could potentially be prosecuted as any number of crimes.

Some of you seem to have forgotten where the difference between the game and reality is.

You can't go around scamming people IRL, as you do in EVE. Which is exactly what this "Bonus Room" is.
There is a massive set of complex systems that you can't even begin to imagine without years of legal studies which prevent you, me and everyone else from doing so.

Its a huge legal liability for CCP too, because who knows what could potentially culminate out of this degree of OUT OF GAME abuse of other players, including someone getting physically hurt or at worst some nut showing up to a Fanfest with a home-made pipebomb.

Just drop the garbage. The majority of the community does not want this kind of **** in their EVE experience.


I feel that I am being scammed IRL as I am somehow supposed to believe that there is a living, breathing human being typing these words in.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1709 - 2014-03-26 03:10:07 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.

Does this mean I can get my bitcoins back???

I have no idea about your bitcoins. There are exceptions to consent and coercion. Banks requiring you to sign a contract which gives them right to penalize you with late fee's or otherwise not allowing you to open an account I guess is coercion. Even though you don't agree with the late fee's being unable to open an account, which is a requirement to live coerces you into signing the agreement for example.

But I don't think that applies to the consent to publish embarrassing and humiliating material on a public forum or you lose all your stuff. I think that'd be a hard one to get past a magistrate or judge if you were sued.

When you quit the game, are you going to stop posting? Because that will truly spark another era of eve-o general forum posting.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1710 - 2014-03-26 03:10:43 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Source? Because as far as anyone can tell, no rules have been broken. (Wishful thinking is not a source)

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1711 - 2014-03-26 03:10:43 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Its a huge legal liability for CCP too, because who knows what could potentially culminate out of this degree of OUT OF GAME abuse of other players, including someone getting physically hurt or at worst some nut showing up to a Fanfest with a home-made pipebomb.


I can imagine the news report.

"Disgruntled EVE player visits violence upon innocent fangoers after being scammed out of virtual assets which he did not legally own."

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1712 - 2014-03-26 03:11:17 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Sadists who look to lure vulnerable people to emotionally **** them have no place in EVE.


Rumour mongering is a bannable offence.
Mario Putzo
#1713 - 2014-03-26 03:11:51 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Sadists who look to lure vulnerable people to emotionally **** them have no place in EVE.


Yet sociopaths who tell kids to kill themselves are welcome.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1714 - 2014-03-26 03:11:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


But I don't think that applies to the consent to publish embarrassing and humiliating material on a public forum or you lose all your stuff.


Good thing that never happened, ever. At least not where Erotica 1 is concerned.

Also none of that stuff was actually technically his. It was CCPs.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1715 - 2014-03-26 03:12:15 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.

Does this mean I can get my bitcoins back???

I have no idea about your bitcoins. There are exceptions to consent and coercion. Banks requiring you to sign a contract which gives them right to penalize you with late fee's or otherwise not allowing you to open an account I guess is coercion. Even though you don't agree with the late fee's being unable to open an account, which is a requirement to live coerces you into signing the agreement for example.

But I don't think that applies to the consent to publish embarrassing and humiliating material on a public forum or you lose all your stuff. I think that'd be a hard one to get past a magistrate or judge if you were sued.

When you quit the game, are you going to stop posting? Because that will truly spark another era of eve-o general forum posting.

Pretty sure that when you quit the game you are unable to post so the question is pretty redundant... much like yourself :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1716 - 2014-03-26 03:12:42 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Word is CCP is actively investigating the incident.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Source? Because as far as anyone can tell, no rules have been broken. (Wishful thinking is not a source)


Okay, so...

How do you figure out who's "and Co." in order to issue the bans?

Sounds like a witch hunt to me.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1717 - 2014-03-26 03:12:49 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.


This sums up my position nicely.


Pray tell, how do we self regulate exactly? Or heck, the poor bastard, how does he retaliate? The attacker always has a huge edge in eve.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1718 - 2014-03-26 03:13:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.


Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?


Jester angel of view is also that of public view Malcanis. We have 3 involved parties here. Erotica1 who enjoy's tearhunting,, sohkar and his right for dignity, and .... last but not least CCP, who doesn't want bad publicity.
I, for myself, really see here the posssibilty that these kind of bonus events might inspire some really bad real life consequences someday. Thats why Jester marks it as (psychological) torture.

I put it in other words.....

1. Will CCP get bad press because somebody plays eve online non-stopr 72 hours, then suffers a collapse and dies sitting in front of computer screen ? ...probaply no

2. Will CCP get bad press because somebody plays eve online all day , then isolated's himself from RL social kontext, then gets a depression and commits suicide ? ...probaply no. Drug abuse is far to common to make it into the newsheadlines.

3. Will CCP get bad press if someone is humiliiated on TS server by fellow participants of eve online , then suffers a mental collaps and then beats his wife up or jumps out of the window ? ...... maybe yes

If eve players, and especially CSM members, are ever willing to achieve goals in their relations to the game developers they always have to tie themselves to CCP's prospertiy. I thought you knew that malcanis
Mario Putzo
#1719 - 2014-03-26 03:14:01 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.


This sums up my position nicely.


Pray tell, how do we self regulate exactly? Or heck, the poor bastard, how does he retaliate? The attacker always has a huge edge in eve.


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1720 - 2014-03-26 03:14:02 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Its a huge legal liability for CCP too, because who knows what could potentially culminate out of this degree of OUT OF GAME abuse of other players, including someone getting physically hurt or at worst some nut showing up to a Fanfest with a home-made pipebomb.


I can imagine the news report.

"Disgruntled EVE player visits violence upon innocent fangoers after being scammed out of virtual assets which he did not legally own."



You are overlooking something.

If you are dealing with the kind of person who could bring a bomb to a gathering because they are disgruntled over pixels, they are not going to be well aware of the notions of virtual assets and ownership. They are simply going to be worked up or resentful about something.

Thus screening out someone who might be unstable and instigating their rage endangers the community.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!