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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#1661 - 2014-03-26 02:49:46 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

You said it was against the EULA. You were asked to quote it. You made an excuse not to, and are now saying "well it's up to CCP's interpretation".

Just wanting to make sure I have this straight.


Quote:


Suspension and Ban Policy

Though we have made every effort to anticipate all the possible circumstances we may encounter as caretakers of the persistent world of EVE Online, there issues may arise that we had not foreseen.

...

Therefore, this document should not been seen as all-inclusive, but rather to give our players a general idea of the guidelines we follow in dealing with these or similar cases.

...

3. HARASSMENT - Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.



There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1662 - 2014-03-26 02:49:46 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ripards blog post came after the Massively thing, and it is entirely a one sided oped about an opponent in the CSM race. This is clearly a propaganda piece meant to disenfranchise Erotica 1's CSM campaign.

Shots have been fired.

Do you think he cares about the "victim" he is capitalizing on an opportunity to sink a competitor because he is a weak CSM member and fears his seat will not be there next session.



I'm pretty sure that Ripard Teg announced quite a while back that he's not rerunning for CSM this year. As for Erotica1 being an "opponent"? Well, that's not really the case since E1's campaign is a rehash of James315's campaign last year (which was a joke). So Erotica1's campaign is a rehash of a joke, by a joke (and a joke in extremely poor taste at that). As for disenfranchising E1's campaign? Well, looks like he's doing a fine and dandy job of that all by his lonesome.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1663 - 2014-03-26 02:49:52 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:

Those are facts and quite obvious actually problem is CCP is a money hungry ***** so it will do whatever serves best it's interests and it will have nothing to do with moral or legal implications. Just business.


CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is.

The question is, will it maximize profit to dump Erotica1 like a dirty diaper or to hope the whole thing blows over? In my opinion, CCP trying ride out the storm and failing miserably after hoping something will blow over is a very common occurrence. They need to grab the bull by the horns on this one and wash their corporate hands of obvious psychopaths using their game to lure in victims.

It won't go well for CCP if this gets any traction in the mainstream media due to a slow news day or an EVE fan in the news department.

Mr Epeen Cool
Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#1664 - 2014-03-26 02:50:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
...

its not the 1st time I've heard of this selction process. Thing is, why are there people like this to select in the 1st place? Why do peiople who can't take it choose to play eve SINCE 2009 and not learn the game. I knew after a week to watch out for scams and that was 7 years ago.

As I've said before in this thread: many of you are just enablers for and apologists of stupidity and other bad things (like greed). People like Erotica1 keep everyone honest because you never know when a scam is coming, so even thoguh I'd never do anything like that, the game would really suck without it.


I also wonder how it is possible that so vulnerable people can be playing EVE online. But you know, everything is possible. Spaceships are attractive for many people and noone is denied the right to play EVE. The extent and success of their ventures in game are probably not very high but they find some pleasure playing EVE anyway.

There are so many different ways to play this sandbox game that it does not surprise me that they found their way to enjoy it.

As for the capability of these vulnerable players to learn from their humiliating experience in the bonus room, I am extremely doubtful.
Justifying their actions by some educational calling is just another way for Erotica and co. to pretend they fill an important place in the EVE community. But don't be fooled by this, they are not educating anyone.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1665 - 2014-03-26 02:51:09 UTC
Just realized this.

Salvos Rhoska = Sohkar.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1666 - 2014-03-26 02:51:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
"C. User Content

The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").

User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party"

Erotica1 is communicating, ingame, through means of chat functions and bulletin boards that he provides a service OUTSIDE of the game, namely the "Bonus Room".


...but not violating any rules, regulations, laws, etcetc.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
ashley Eoner
#1667 - 2014-03-26 02:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...

its not the 1st time I've heard of this selction process. Thing is, why are there people like this to select in the 1st place? Why do peiople who can't take it choose to play eve SINCE 2009 and not learn the game. I knew after a week to watch out for scams and that was 7 years ago.

As I've said before in this thread: many of you are just enablers for and apologists of stupidity and other bad things (like greed). People like Erotica1 keep everyone honest because you never know when a scam is coming, so even thoguh I'd never do anything like that, the game would really suck without it.


I also wonder how it is possible that so vulnerable people can be playing EVE online. But you know, everything is possible. Spaceships are attractive for many people and noone is denied the right to play EVE. The extent and success of their ventures in game are probably not very high but they find some pleasure playing EVE anyway.

There are so many different ways to play this sandbox game that it does not surprise me that they found their way to enjoy it.

As for the capability of these vulnerable players to learn from their humiliating experience in the bonus room, I am extremely doubtful.
Justifying their actions by some educational calling is just another way for Erotica and co. to pretend they fill an important place in the EVE community. But don't be fooled by this, they are not educating anyone.

That's a valid point after the press that one battle received not that long ago.


EDIT : Personally I'm just tired of reading about him..

As I post in a thread about the situation .
Mario Putzo
#1668 - 2014-03-26 02:52:01 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:


http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2012/03/hats.html

Ripard Teg ladies and gentlemen.

Lets ban a guy for scamming, but hey Mittens should be ok as a CSM for telling a kid to literally kill himself.

SLOW CLAP Ripard SLOW CLAP.

Note the difference between the events.

In one case, we have a player, Mittens, who was after the event apologetic, did a SINGLE drunken thing, and has not since repeated this.

In the other case we have a player, Erotica, who has already been exposed over this type of behaviour months ago, was not drunk in the slightest, repeatedly indulges in this kind of abuse of their victims, and has not shown the slightest sign of contrition or of changing their behaviour.

They are two entirely different situations, and as such Ripard is not being a hypocrite for calling for action on E, or for defending M.


Apologist much.

Hey guys its ok to stand up on a panel at EVE FEST broadcast around the world, and tell a kid to kill himself, as long as you apologize.

But a POX be upon you if you "A known Scammer" Scam someone via TS3.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1669 - 2014-03-26 02:52:15 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Looks like E1 and Co. are trying to do damage control and shift blame anywhere they can.

First they tried shifting to the victim. Community didint buy that BS.

Now E1 is trying to shift blame on Ripard.

Frankly, it smacks of desperation.

Permabans for E1 and Co.

Say NO to cyber-bullying and emotional **** of vulnerable people.



The fact that you have not been forum banned yet for your threats of physical violence (in previous posts) is a disgrace.

Much worse than anything Ero did, and for that matter even worse than things the contestant did as they were clearly said in the heat of the moment.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1670 - 2014-03-26 02:53:53 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

You said it was against the EULA. You were asked to quote it. You made an excuse not to, and are now saying "well it's up to CCP's interpretation".

Just wanting to make sure I have this straight.


Quote:


Suspension and Ban Policy

Though we have made every effort to anticipate all the possible circumstances we may encounter as caretakers of the persistent world of EVE Online, there issues may arise that we had not foreseen.

...

Therefore, this document should not been seen as all-inclusive, but rather to give our players a general idea of the guidelines we follow in dealing with these or similar cases.

...

3. HARASSMENT - Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.



There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.


What's good for one is good for all, and if Erotica 1 gets banned for harrassment, then Sokhar needs to be banned for being threatening to another player. That's the bottom line.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1671 - 2014-03-26 02:54:14 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

You said it was against the EULA. You were asked to quote it. You made an excuse not to, and are now saying "well it's up to CCP's interpretation".

Just wanting to make sure I have this straight.


Quote:


Suspension and Ban Policy

Though we have made every effort to anticipate all the possible circumstances we may encounter as caretakers of the persistent world of EVE Online, there issues may arise that we had not foreseen.

...

Therefore, this document should not been seen as all-inclusive, but rather to give our players a general idea of the guidelines we follow in dealing with these or similar cases.

...

3. HARASSMENT - Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.



There is your justification. As I said in another thread, it takes no mental or semantic gymnastics to fit everything Erotica1 did in that box. There is nothing arbitrary or vague about a ban stemming from the behavior being discussed here.


But it all took place outside of the game. So again: Does CCP have jurisdiction outside of the game?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#1672 - 2014-03-26 02:54:37 UTC
I would think E1 would be more concerned with winning CSM than anything else, disclosing who he is and by extension where he lives might not be the brightest idea at this point and time.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1673 - 2014-03-26 02:54:41 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is.
CCP is not a publicly traded company.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1674 - 2014-03-26 02:54:51 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


You should listen to the recording before you comment.

So it's ok to torment, harass, belittle, and otherwise engage in cyber bullying (Which is categorised as a real crime by most countries akin to assault) as long as you wind your victim up to the point at which they snap?

I'm sorry, but just no. You are trying to justify abuse by 'the victim got aggressive back to me'

That flag simply doesn't fly. And if you honestly think it does, well then I'm disgusted at you also, and everyone else who thinks that excuses Erotica's outright revolting & knowingly abusive behaviour.


You also have not listened to the recording have you?

ALL of the abusive behaviour comes from the client. E1 gets him to read the code and tried to get two songs out of him. Is it an oddity? To me yes, I'd have taken the stuff and giggled at hate mail however the scam E1 runs requires the scam to look legit to the point where it is possible to win so E1 went through with this bonus room after successfully getting all the stuff.

Its a complicated scam and the client exploded in the process. Nothing in the EULA was broken and frankly the client has no sympathy from me. I also do not like the fact that because of the way the client talks that the white knighters automatically assume he has a mental disability.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1675 - 2014-03-26 02:55:56 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is.
CCP is not a publicly traded company.


Is that true? If so, Mr. Epeen is not very smart. Pretty much why I never read or respond to his posts anymore.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1676 - 2014-03-26 02:56:30 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Recording and publishing information that should be private, as in private conversations is defamation, is a breach of privacy. You cannot record a private conversation and publish that conversation on the EvE forums without breaking the law.



Indeed. It violates nearly every US wiretap statute.


Not if you say you consent to being recorded and are aware that the recording may be posted to social media sites. This happens in... every... Bonus Round.

Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1677 - 2014-03-26 02:56:36 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


Apologist much.

Hey guys its ok to stand up on a panel at EVE FEST broadcast around the world, and tell a kid to kill himself, as long as you apologize.

But a POX be upon you if you "A known Scammer" Scam someone via TS3.


This is nothing to do with their scamming. It is to do with their RL harassment & abuse of a PERSON.
Note the key point here, they were not doing actions to someones in game avatar. They were directly abusing a PERSON.
Using blackmail in order to keep them there to be abused.

The fact the blackmail in this case happened to be digital goods does not excuse that type of behaviour.
Feyth Yinleq
Doomheim
#1678 - 2014-03-26 02:56:44 UTC
Agent Lazuli wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Good luck with that, you're in for a treat.


Feyth one point I do find very troubling is that you appear not to have a valid mining permit. I hope you attend to that oversight as soon as possible.


Nice try to bring back the discussion on IG matters.

Is that some sort of threat the mining permit question ?
I don't need a permit and you can come and blow my ships, I am in EVE for this kind of challenge.
Resorting to threats at this very moment is somehow saying a lot about you guys.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1679 - 2014-03-26 02:56:50 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
I also wonder how it is possible that so vulnerable people can be playing EVE online.

Let's face it, you have to be mentally damaged to want to play this game.
Mario Putzo
#1680 - 2014-03-26 02:57:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Its a complicated scam and the client exploded in the process. Nothing in the EULA was broken and frankly the client has no sympathy from me. I also do not like the fact that because of the way the client talks that the white knighters automatically assume he has a mental disability.


most folks haven't listened to the recording I am sure. If anyone was belligerent and abusive it was the client.