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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1561 - 2014-03-26 01:57:27 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:

How about stop being stupid for once. Goon tag does carry a reputation but this ain't funny anymore.
Justifications of any kind prove you have serious issues.
You all defended fucktani after his fanfest shitfall and now you're here again. Just stop if there's nothing of value that you can add to this basket.


Mittens was out of line. This is coming from someone that cheered on when the person Mittens verbally abused had their mining op smartbombed for 10b+ ISK in losses. He was a drunken idiot at the time.

The contestant here was comparably out of line, perhaps a little worse, with the threats made.

Ero was (IMO) slightly over the line here, but not on par with what Mittens did, much less what the contestant here did.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1562 - 2014-03-26 01:57:39 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Agent Lazuli wrote:
...
On a positive note we discovered just how much Sohkar hates African Americans. He has very strong opinions in that Teamspeak recording. A man of conviction!


For sure, making the victim look bad is a classic from abusive people.
You New Order guys are definitely building a strong defense for your Erotica 1 fellow. You make me sick.



You know what makes me sick.

People who attack someone so openly when his "victim" had every chance in the world to leave whenever he pleased. Erotica 1 and his friends did not keep him there forcefully or against his will.

It makes me sick that a portion of the community holds a double standard and that a CSM member blatantly harasses an EVE player the way he did.

This "victim" could have left at any time, his greed kept him there, his desire for exponential wealth. It wasn't Erotica.

This man lost faith, he gave into greed and strayed from the light.



In the same effect, E1 could of just said "HA, we have your isk. Have a nice night." And it all would of been avoided.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1563 - 2014-03-26 01:57:44 UTC
Because he had everything at risk?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1564 - 2014-03-26 01:57:49 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:

You all defended fucktani after his fanfest shitfall and now you're here again. Just stop if there's nothing of value that you can add to this basket.


"Fucktani".

"Fanfest shitfall".

That just rolls of the tongue.

I like you.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1565 - 2014-03-26 01:58:24 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Holy crap. Well done Richard on getting all of EVEs retards to post in one handy thread.

Erotica's and co's behaviour is abhorrent. If you believe otherwise, well, biomass your character.

It's hilarious and frightening how people try to rationalise abusive behaviour.


Did you even listen to the recording? The only abusive one in this is the "victim", you're one of those trying to rationalize the abuse. Sokhar agreed to play a game and lost, then he flipped and became abusive. This is all a game nerds. It's not real and sokhar will get over the minor disturbance of losing some internet space stuff to his own stupidity.


Idiot attempting to blame the victim identified.

Erotica pushes the victim to the point where he breaks, allowing him (and his cohorts) to claim that they are in fact the victims.

Biomass your character please.


Wow, he wasn't even pushed. He was a willing participant in the bonus round. He's not a victim, he's a foul mouthed abusive racist that lost his **** over losing in a video game.



From the onset Erotica1 and his cohorts engaged him with the intent of scamming him out of his assets, luring him to teamspeak with a promise of a slim chance of getting them back, and then continuing to provoke him. They knew what they were doing and the response they were provoking, and they deliberately recorded it so they could humiliate the player further.

There is a clear line between scamming someone out of their assets and cyber bullying. They clearly and deliberately stepped over it.

CCP needs to stand up to this ****. It is clear that Erotica 1 intended to do more than simply scam a player out of their assets.
Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#1566 - 2014-03-26 01:59:44 UTC
This has been going on for years and nobody's ever really done anything about it. As far as I'm concerned, we're all culpable by inactivity (justifications of 'it's a dark game', etc. etc.). I suppose very much like in real life, evil things happen because most people sit by and do nothing...

It's up to CCP to decide if some legal thing has been breached here (and I'm sure they'll discuss it with their lawyers). Given their usual 'no comment' way of doing things, it's difficult to tell if they've ever done anything similar in the past or will do so in the future, but we can probably expect some 'exemplar' response in this case to manage community perception.

The real failure is in the game- the protection of disposable alts and the inability to associate characters to a singular player ultimately favour those who would escape retribution, if they need to at all- characters for this purpose cannot be excluded from local chat, which is all they need to fish for targets. They don't need to undock as assets may be freely transferred away. Even if the community were united against such behaviour, there's not much we could actually do to those who act that way. The only thing people have is rage and fury and... just words, which is exactly what they're after, thus feeding the problem.

The sandbox is weighted in their favour and so they thrive.
Agent Lazuli
Doomheim
#1567 - 2014-03-26 02:00:23 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
[quote=Agent Lazuli]For sure, making the victim look bad is a classic from abusive people.
You New Order guys are definitely building a strong defense for your Erotica 1 fellow. You make me sick.



The New Order applaud anyone who treats their fellow man with respect and decency. Erotica 1 was nothing but polite in that recording yet had to suffer the abuse of an extremely unhinged racist EVE player. An EVE player who I remind you willingly participated in the bonus round. Sohkar had every opportunity to politely decline the invitation yet when he did not get his way launched into a verbal tirade and made real threats. Additionally his wife even joined the channel and started making threats against the good character of Erotica 1.

Erotica 1 even featured a number of very happy past contest winners in the Teamspeak chat to reassure Sohkar. Yet this still did not placate him. I think it is deplorable players of Sohkar's calibre should be allowed to play EVE when the majority of EVE players just want to promote a safe and secure community.

An Agent of the New Order of Highsec. Please follow the code. Purchase a mining permit. Check out: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1568 - 2014-03-26 02:00:46 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Michele Bachmann wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:



Interesting.
You call somebody a idiot yet you fail to realize that this incident involves a deliberate action to dodge law/Eula by luring a persone OUT of game in order to humiliate and bully while entire ordeal is about IN GAME assets.

You are actually the first person to fall for such **** in real life cause you lack the brain cells to process basic information.


And tell me, was it at any point non-consensual? No?

Then stop using sexual assault as the measuring stick with which you compare with. You cheapen actual victims across the world with your moral equivications


That's where psychological issues enter and there's no black and white here so stop acting like you just figured out the universal law for right or wrong.

Fact is deliberate action to dodge Eula in order to humiliate another person is wrong no matter how ****** up your moral levels are.


I don't pretend like i have the universal law for right or wrong figured out. But I do know the definitions of words.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1569 - 2014-03-26 02:00:59 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Agent Lazuli wrote:
...
On a positive note we discovered just how much Sohkar hates African Americans. He has very strong opinions in that Teamspeak recording. A man of conviction!


For sure, making the victim look bad is a classic from abusive people.
You New Order guys are definitely building a strong defense for your Erotica 1 fellow. You make me sick.



"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.

Sohkar makes Sohkar look bad all on his own. He doesn't need any help.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1570 - 2014-03-26 02:01:03 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:

In the same effect, E1 could of just said "HA, we have your isk. Have a nice night." And it all would of been avoided.



Wouldn't work.

E1 *never* provably lies. His entire business is based around 100% honesty (to the letter of promises made, not to the spirit of them).

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1571 - 2014-03-26 02:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
So what line did Erotica 1 cross?

I'm listening to this recording. I'm at 1:15:00, and so far all that's happened is they made him read The Code and Olga of Kiev. Pretty standard fare for a bonus round. The worst they've done so far is lightly tease him about his Elmer Fudd voice, meanwhile he's already had one angry outburst, swearing at everyone.

O. Kay.

Maybe things will change as the recording goes on, but so far... nobody's even talking except the guy reading these two documents and edit: beingasked to look up words he didn't know.

So what line?

No TOS/EULA violation, no laws broken... so what line?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Mario Putzo
#1572 - 2014-03-26 02:04:17 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:

In the same effect, E1 could of just said "HA, we have your isk. Have a nice night." And it all would of been avoided.



Wouldn't work.

E1 *never* provably lies. His entire business is based around 100% honesty (to the letter of promises made, not to the spirit of them).


I am sorry Erotica 1 I must divulge your secret

The bonus round is about having FAITH.

You can not have both GREED and FAITH.

It is known that GREED is a Sin and he who has sin must be purged of it and reborn in the light!
Salvos Rhoska
#1573 - 2014-03-26 02:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Mario Putzo wrote:
Then why didn't he leave the conversation?


Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.

None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

You cant do that. Its against the EULA.

Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.

The only function of the recording in this issue, is it evidences that he is indeed doing so.
The proof is there.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#1574 - 2014-03-26 02:05:54 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Agent Lazuli wrote:
...
On a positive note we discovered just how much Sohkar hates African Americans. He has very strong opinions in that Teamspeak recording. A man of conviction!


For sure, making the victim look bad is a classic from abusive people.
You New Order guys are definitely building a strong defense for your Erotica 1 fellow. You make me sick.



"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.

Sohkar makes Sohkar look bad all on his own. He doesn't need any help.


Man pushed to the limit can do a lot of things.
Just proves what deliberate manipulation can do to people. Nothing else.
WarProfit
Doomheim
#1575 - 2014-03-26 02:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: WarProfit
If anything they are helping him with his speech impediment by having him repeat the code. Maybe E1 was charging for educational services.

and what was he thinking when he heard them trying not to laugh, I know what im thinking And when you thought the wow guy was the best
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1576 - 2014-03-26 02:06:50 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
So what line did Erotica 1 cross?

I'm listening to this recording. I'm at 1:15:00, and so far all that's happened is they made him read The Code and Olga of Kiev. Pretty standard fare for a bonus round. The worst they've done so far is lightly tease him about his Elmer Fudd voice, meanwhile he's already had one angry outburst, swearing at everyone.

O. Kay.

Maybe things will change as the recording goes on, but so far... nobody's even talking except the guy reading these two documents and asked to look up words he didn't know.

So what line?

No TOS/EULA violation, no laws broken... so what line?


I can tell you he's done creepy stuff where a line was crossed. Having people read The Code isn't so bad, but believe me the man has done some pretty heinous stuff.

I don't know if it's been discussed, given how big the thread is probably, but he has a case-file which includes shirtless men, peanut butter, and underaged girls.

He will basically take a person as far as he possibly can without flinching. If anyone in Eve is a card carrying sociopath, it's probably Erotica 1.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1577 - 2014-03-26 02:06:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Then why didn't he leave the conversation?


Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.

None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

You cant do that. Its against the EULA.

Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.


Does CCP really have jurisdiction outside of the game?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1578 - 2014-03-26 02:07:06 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.

None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

You cant do that. Its against the EULA.

Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.


And what assets did he lose IRL?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1579 - 2014-03-26 02:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Rolstra wrote:
It's all a bit disturbing, I log in to play with fictional space ships, in a fictional universe, filled with a fairly equal number of fictional villains and heroes, but in the forums I find some other player logged in to do the same and due to his inexperience was lured into both RL and in game ridicule.

That is not that game I originally started to pay to play; as this plays out, if it continues, I will be finding another form of entertainment to spend my money on. I cannot condone or support these players out of game actions and will not be further associated with this level of RL depravity in my fictional refuge.


What inexperience? So 2009 is now inexperienced?

Good to know, I'm a 2007 newbie, I better join brave newbies asap.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1580 - 2014-03-26 02:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

The hypocracy and in most other times, apathy of people here is the most astounding thing about this thread.