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Salvos Rhoska
#1501 - 2014-03-26 01:24:23 UTC
WarProfit wrote:
Merely smearing some dumb **** on the internet over his reaction to being played the fool is not exploiting them.

Actually thats exactly what it is.

And its also the only motive for the activity. To exploit players sourced from EVE, as leveraged by the false promise of returning their assets, in a scam that has no business or providence extending beyond EVE, into a TS channel where he and his friends fap furiously to the suffering they inflict, record it, and share with friends.

That, is exploitation.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#1502 - 2014-03-26 01:25:37 UTC
Michele Bachmann wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?


+1

this is exactly what E1 did.

Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording.

Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved.

Sickening how close to kiddie **** creeps this is.


I find your trivialization of **** abhorrent. In no way what happened here was it non-consensual.


Comparing this to that is indeed abhorrent. I'm starting to wonder who the sicko's in this are.
Agent Lazuli
Doomheim
#1503 - 2014-03-26 01:26:19 UTC
Yes let’s ban Erotica 1 because he is the only bad person in EVE right?

While we’re at it let’s ban -

1. Highsec ganking
2. Miner bumping
3. Lowsec ganking
4. Gate camps
5. Somer.Blink
6. The Mittani (he has scammed entire alliances)
7. AFK players
8. Sov space
9. Psychotic Monk
10. Pirates
11. Miners
12. Ripard Teg (his FOTW didn’t stop my ship being blown up!)
13. Stupidity
14. Smartasses
15. Idiots
16. Carebears
17. CCP (because they don’t know how to run their own game right?)
18. Sohkar (because he is the mouth breather that started this whole mess in the first place)

Let’s all gather around Jita and sing kumbaya and turn EVE into WoW!

An Agent of the New Order of Highsec. Please follow the code. Purchase a mining permit. Check out: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#1504 - 2014-03-26 01:26:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
That, is exploitation.


Exploitation is part of the game and life.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1505 - 2014-03-26 01:26:53 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
If Riptard Teg doesn't get removed from his CSM seat over this garbage then *I* will be cancelling my 9 accounts.



So much this.


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1506 - 2014-03-26 01:27:03 UTC
This thread is growing very fast....

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Varseop
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1507 - 2014-03-26 01:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Varseop
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period.

Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works.


Bullshit. Death threats are inexcusable. His emotions are his responsiblity, no one else's.


Oh no, somebody on the internet threatened to kill you?

HTFU
Salvos Rhoska
#1508 - 2014-03-26 01:27:43 UTC
Agent Lazuli wrote:
Yes let’s ban Erotica 1

Glad you agree.

Sooner its done, sooner everyone can go on with their merry EVE existence.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1509 - 2014-03-26 01:28:14 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gwydion Voleur wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time.


This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion.

Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor.

*EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting.



Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think.

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.


Like in 2009 when you said you were going to biomass?

Wtf kind of game did you think you were playing anyways?
Winchester Steele
#1510 - 2014-03-26 01:29:22 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
---As I stated though, once the racism and death threats came out, laughing time ended and they were asked to leave.


What happened on the TS is none of CCPs business or concern.

That Erotica1 is sourcing victims from within the game, for exploitation outside the game, is very much CCPs business.



Is this you moving the goalposts? There's this Goblin I'd like to introduce you too. I think the two of you would get along like peas in a pod...

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Salvos Rhoska
#1511 - 2014-03-26 01:29:34 UTC
Varseop wrote:
Bullshit. Death threats are inexcusable. His emotions are his responsiblity, no one else's.

The threats where made outside of EVE, and hence are none of CCP's concern or business.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1512 - 2014-03-26 01:29:38 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.



Can I have your stuff? x8?

Nah.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mario Putzo
#1513 - 2014-03-26 01:30:02 UTC
I would like to be banned because I can't stand these forums anymore. I can't believe I am forced to read this **** all the time. I am even forced to reply, despite my own opposition to it.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1514 - 2014-03-26 01:30:02 UTC
Agent Lazuli wrote:
Yes let’s ban Erotica 1 because he is the only bad person in EVE right?

While we’re at it let’s ban -

1. Highsec ganking
2. Miner bumping
3. Lowsec ganking
4. Gate camps
5. Somer.Blink
6. The Mittani (he has scammed entire alliances)
7. AFK players
8. Sov space
9. Psychotic Monk
10. Pirates
11. Miners
12. Ripard Teg (his FOTW didn’t stop my ship being blown up!)
13. Stupidity
14. Smartasses
15. Idiots
16. Carebears
17. CCP (because they don’t know how to run their own game right?)
18. Sohkar (because he is the mouth breather that started this whole mess in the first place)

Let’s all gather around Jita and sing kumbaya and turn EVE into WoW!


Your over +9000! in my book. Great post!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1515 - 2014-03-26 01:30:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
If Riptard Teg doesn't get removed from his CSM seat over this garbage then *I* will be cancelling my 9 accounts.



So much this.




I just posted a thread to this effect.

His comparison of losing space pixels and being laughed at to actual, real torture is incredibly disrespectful to real victims and their families.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska
#1516 - 2014-03-26 01:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Winchester Steele wrote:
Irrelevant and ignorant yammering of someone who does not understand the issue.


What happened on the TS is none of CCPs business or concern.

That Erotica1 is sourcing victims from within the game, for exploitation outside the game, is very much CCPs business.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1517 - 2014-03-26 01:30:21 UTC
Sohkar has been ejected from my Alliance.

My involvement in this debacle is now at an end.

GG all

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1518 - 2014-03-26 01:30:59 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:



Malcanis, for someone who is on the CSM you seem to be seriously missing the big picture here. Even if your supposition is true that since this happened outside of Eve itself, and therefore isn't CCP's responsibility, it was instigated in-game and it involved in-game assets. However, the big picture here is not just the reality of the situation, but rather the perception of the reality. Eve is already considered by many prospective players as being a harsh and unforgiving environment; great for all the budding pirates who think they're ruthless and feared, not so great for bringing in new players (oh yeah, and bringing in subscribers to pay for things like development). If this news breaks it's way into wider social media, possibly going viral (which is entirely possible), then Eve suddenly appears to be an incredibly toxic environment. CCP would then be forced to defend themselves, not just to us, but to the world at large. Let's face it, CCP is a business. Bad media coverage and a toxic reputation is bad for business. This means they'll have no choice but to intervene in-game if they want their business to survive. This means much more stringent and harsh restrictions being put on what people in the sandbox can do, whether you like it or not. CCP not addressing this issue now, before it gets out of hand, and in a much more reasonable way, is bad for business.


EVE grows in subs every year. Your argument is invalid.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1519 - 2014-03-26 01:31:38 UTC
Michele Bachmann wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?


+1

this is exactly what E1 did.

Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording.

Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved.

Sickening how close to kiddie **** creeps this is.


I find your trivialization of **** abhorrent. In no way what happened here was it non-consensual.


I find this parade of freshly created alts defending E1 disturbing.

This is as it is. Victim got lured out into a non-policed environment, and got emotionally raped, humiliated and denigrated.

There is a deep-down reason some sadists do this, perhaps something in E1's childhood happened with his parents. But it in no way justifies emotionally raping others.
Winchester Steele
#1520 - 2014-03-26 01:31:48 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.



Can I have your stuff? x8?



Ooooh.. He's been playing for a long time. I bet he has a lot of stuffz...


If you are going to quit IZ you should play the bonus room before you go. Could be a big winner.

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