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Snitches Laden
Doomheim
#1481 - 2014-03-26 01:06:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


By bent, I obviously mean "crooked".


No such word as crooked.

And I find the assertation that you have friends to be highly dubious.


Synonyms for bent

angled
arced
arched
bowed
contorted
crooked

I have many friends :)
Would you like to be one?
Sorry, DENIED!

Sentamon wrote:
Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional.

If you think its the 20bucks he's freaking over, and not how he is being treated, it might be you who hopefully sees a mental health professional.


I have come to find that through life many people you run into are selfish morons who only care about themselves and could never be empathetic toward others. to them I say farewell and goodnight.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1482 - 2014-03-26 01:06:57 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period.

Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works.


Bullshit. Death threats are inexcusable. His emotions are his responsiblity, no one else's.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

WarProfit
Doomheim
#1483 - 2014-03-26 01:07:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"





now I remember why I voted for you.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1484 - 2014-03-26 01:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?


+1

this is exactly what E1 did.

Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording.

Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved.

Sickening how close to kiddie porn creeps this is.
Mario Putzo
#1485 - 2014-03-26 01:08:15 UTC
WAIT!

In one of the locked threads did someone seriously say that Icelandic Law doesn't apply to Americans who are in Iceland.

What a moron.
Galdrak
Interplanetary Trade Federation
#1486 - 2014-03-26 01:08:55 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?

May I politely ask you refrain from analogies like this? There is absolutely no similarity and I think it's not good to draw this parallel to Sohkar's experience.

/蘭


i didnt write that, i was quoting another post and decrying him for it. its disgraceful and completely unwarranted to try to compare a sex crime with this players behaviour,
Salvos Rhoska
#1487 - 2014-03-26 01:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Pix Severus wrote:
Not once did Erotica threaten physical violence against his client.


Its not "his client" when the interchange is taking in an environment OUTSIDE of EVE.

Have you lost all touch with reality?

"But Your Honor! I blew this guys stuff up because its possible IN EVE!"

You can't extend a scam outside of the context of EVE.

What is acceptable within EVE, in many cases becomes CRIMINAL if you attempt to extend it beyond it.

In the "Bonus Room", nobody is there as an EVE character or player. They are all there as independant, autonomous and culpable individuals just like everyone else sitting in every other non-EVE voice comm room on the entire planet.

That Erotica1 is actively, repeatedly and provenly sourcing and predating his victims from WITHIN the EVE community, for exploitation OUTSIDE of the game, is the issue here. You can't do that. Its not only against EULA, its also against laws depending on how you conduct yourself in that external environment.
Jim Era
#1488 - 2014-03-26 01:09:32 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.



Can I have your stuff? x8?

Wat™

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1489 - 2014-03-26 01:11:01 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gwydion Voleur wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time.


This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion.

Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor.

*EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting.



Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think.

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.




I'm waiting to see if this goes viral. As I have said before, I always pause before telling people who know about games that I play Eve, because the response is already not very enthusiastic.

If this incident goes viral, then I will be ashamed of playing this game and will have to consider my associations in the long term.

And it would be fitting that in this "Atrium of Lies" that the world is today (Front Line Assembly reference) that such a great game as this with such great people in it becomes associated with the worst scumbag-dragging douchebaggery as could ever be perceived.

It's almost as if THAT was the goal of players like E1 - to destroy something beautiful by soiling the reputation of it. All these people who are after tears and driving others from the game and at the same time making it attractive to more people like themselves.

The potential for this game, to be more than just a game, is HUGE. How huge? Well, in "my day", we read sci-fi books and watched movies like Star Trek. Now if Eve Online becomes more than just an MMO, but an entire franchise, we won't be talking about "some episode on season 4" or something, we would, pretty much like we do now, be saying "yeah I was in that battle flying a bomber" or something.

If CCP could bank on what they really have going on here they could change the way the public consumes sci-fi FOREVER. I don't think anybody would want to go back to reading books or passively watching a starship warp around on TV.

And to think of all of that wrecked and the people who will lurk in their basements knowing they wrecked it - no. Something has to be done about this, because I don't want there to be a day when I'm ashamed to play a game that can be more than just a game because of this "element" that gleefully takes something wonderful and rubs it in their butt cracks while sneering.

But if I have to leave, I know I can pick myself up the next day and carry on, and I won't be ashamed. (but to heck with that statist-drivel infected Star Citizen I'd rather play Minesweeper).

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1490 - 2014-03-26 01:11:57 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Personally I don't give one crap what happens to someone ingame and in fact encourage any sort of behaviour that could be classed as "Darwinism"; filtering out the players who just can't adapt or survive. Having said that I draw the line at purposely attacking, bullying and near sociopathic behaviour. There's a difference between ingame dealings with a player and taking it all out of context and "toy" with a person in public.

Years ago Tank CEO got this guy on TS who then ended up going apeshit, but initially the outset was to just have a talk and try and clam this guy down, explaining some stuff. It just turned out to be hilarious and thus I have no issue with it. That link in Jester's blog goes way beyond that and while I normally would go "lol HTFU" this, again, does cross the line imo.


Was that before or after he RMT'd his account?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Winchester Steele
#1491 - 2014-03-26 01:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Says the guy who laughed, had his wife and children laugh at a poor guy being humiliated by a sociopath. Not brilliant yourself, are you ?


If it is true that he got his kids to laugh at this, that's unpleasant.

It's not close to on par with making repeated threats of real-life violence like people are in this thread.


Or the vomiting out of racist slurs and threats to kill by the contestant.



Now I normally like your posts but I take offence to this. My two teenage sons are fully cognizant and intelligent humans capable of making their own judgements and I am not much of a person to collymoddle anyone, especially my children. If you want to see what sheltering your kids does to them, just look through this thread at all the people who think what Ero did was "bullying". This kind of thinking is a direct product of the bubble wrap brigade.

As I stated though, once the racism and death threats came out, laughing time ended and they were asked to leave.

Edit: also, to further clarify. I didn't "get" my kids to laugh at this. They laughed because it was ******* hilarious.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1492 - 2014-03-26 01:14:46 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period.

Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. Erotica1 was out for tears, and got them. So happy to receive them, he released the audio.


This is why I do not think the contestant should be held to the letter of the EULA over these actions but should be given another chance alongside a firm warning.

He was clearly irate at the time due to his misplaced trust and the in-game losses that it had caused him.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Salvos Rhoska
#1493 - 2014-03-26 01:16:02 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
---As I stated though, once the racism and death threats came out, laughing time ended and they were asked to leave.


What happened on the TS is none of CCPs business or concern.

That Erotica1 is sourcing victims from within the game, for exploitation outside the game, is very much CCPs business.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1494 - 2014-03-26 01:17:55 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.


This sums up my position nicely.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#1495 - 2014-03-26 01:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
E1 deliberately takes a guy out of game to go on his humiliation, bullying crusade and dodge ban hammer.

Victim was lured out of game yet the entire ordeal centers about in game assets


If you ask me that's premeditated behavior to cause damage and avoid law/Eula.

CCP you better wake the F up.
WarProfit
Doomheim
#1496 - 2014-03-26 01:20:51 UTC
How is Erotica exploiting players? If exploiting them means using them for entertainment purposes then arrest john stuart but if he is scamming them out of RL cash then yes that is exploiting. Merely smearing some dumb **** on the internet over his reaction to being played the fool is not exploiting them.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1497 - 2014-03-26 01:21:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Drone 16 wrote:
... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.


This sums up my position nicely.



Heh - instead of voting for CSMs can we get a vote on this?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1498 - 2014-03-26 01:21:48 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?


+1

this is exactly what E1 did.

Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording.

Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved.

Sickening how close to kiddie **** creeps this is.


I find your trivialization of **** abhorrent. In no way what happened here was it non-consensual.
Winchester Steele
#1499 - 2014-03-26 01:23:55 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gwydion Voleur wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time.


This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion.

Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor.

*EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting.



Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think.

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.



Cool. If Riptard Teg doesn't get removed from his CSM seat over this garbage then *I* will be cancelling my 9 accounts. So Nyah.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1500 - 2014-03-26 01:24:17 UTC
Did anyone count how many times that the "victim" left the bonus room... only to return?






Oh wait.... no one cares. Burn the witches!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?