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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1461 - 2014-03-26 00:54:28 UTC
Reading through Sohkar's thread on Reddit makes it seem like he's been dishonest about his own financial situation. He's brought up red flags with someone in game who was thinking about helping him.

I'm not sure Jester was thinking about how his article would unfairly paint EVE to new players. The soundcloud doesn't jive with the article.

Could we please be adults and hold Sohkar responsible as an adult for his own choices?

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1462 - 2014-03-26 00:54:46 UTC
"You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-party’s intellectual property rights."

I think this should cover actions originating "within the Game" before being moved out of game onto a private team speak. It sets CCP for legal action and shouldn't be allowed. Especially when its then moved from the private TS back onto the EvE forums where its published to the public.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Winchester Steele
#1463 - 2014-03-26 00:55:15 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.



My mom is dead sadly, but wife spit coffee out through her nose she was laughing so hard. My 2 teenage sons thought it was pretty funny too. My daughter laughed, but being only 2 I think she was mostly mimicking us.

But then again, my wife isn't a pc busybody tool who constantly has her panties in a bunch over **** other people do. Maybe you should remarry?


That is completely fine if you as a Father accept this kind of behavior and promote this as being funny within in your family. But in todays society where bullying isn't tolerated. I would think twice, and consider future repercussions knowing my kids have grown up with the mindset of thinking this is "OK" and "funny."

Some of you can try to sugar coat this as much as you want. But there is no denying that this right here is bullying and shouldn't be tolerated.

The ball is in your court CCP.



Bullying is NOT tolerated in my house at all. Neither is physical violence or racism. Luckily no bullying occurred here so that is a non issue. As to the physical violence and racism? Well my children were asked to leave once sokhar brought out the N word and threatened to gut Eros mother.

...

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1464 - 2014-03-26 00:55:50 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:
Says the guy who laughed, had his wife and children laugh at a poor guy being humiliated by a sociopath. Not brilliant yourself, are you ?


If it is true that he got his kids to laugh at this, that's unpleasant.

It's not close to on par with making repeated threats of real-life violence like people are in this thread.


Or the vomiting out of racist slurs and threats to kill by the contestant.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Snitches Laden
Doomheim
#1465 - 2014-03-26 00:56:56 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Hmmm, I got spanked by CCP for creating a new thread to post this, and in retrospect I should have just used this original thread :) Here's some thoughts on today's hot topic!

So, I am a pretty avid Eve player, and have been for quite some time. My girlfriend is not a player, but we talk a whole bunch and she does enjoy hearing stories about our little universe we have here, and today we were talking about the recent forum activity and SoundCloud recording of Erotica1 doing what he does best.

Now, before this entire conversation took place - I really was on the "This is our sandbox, I don't want CCP wasting any time adding systems to the game that limit what we as players can do." To be honest, I still am.

But, after this whole conversation: there's a part that I don't agree with - and my mind has been changed on this. In this situation: Erotica1 engaged in scamming someone out of a bunch of internet spaceships and e-gold or whatever we call it. I'm fine with that. The only part that I find fault with is baiting the player into taking his tasteless RL threats (I'll kill your mother, racist slurs, homophobic slurs) from a private Teamspeak server into game, thus resulting in the person being scammed being able to be subjected to action by CCP).

The "victim" was wrong to take things that far, and to make real life threats: but we have to really understand a bit about human nature here. Erotica1 and pirates all over (myself included!) will tell you how vital it is to have a thick skin, but I think we need to lead by example and have the same think skin - some of these noobies we blow up or scam are not really the Eve type, and they have yet to learn to control the part of their brain that should stop with "Good fight." or "lol gf" into the kind of epic screaming table pounding mom-threatening stuff we heard in the recent soundcloud recording. When I personally encounter this kind of behavior, my old reaction was to automatically report them to CCP for EULA violations. I won't be doing that anymore - I am going to HTFU and understand that for less experienced players, human nature is going to take over sometimes and they are going to say and do things that are really silly and over and top.

On a side note - I am proud to be part of this universe today. Any online game that sparks a wonderful 2 hour discussion between adults about morality, human nature, griefing and bullying is the kind of game that I want to be playing.


stop reading my mind son :) couldn't have said it better myself
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1466 - 2014-03-26 00:57:06 UTC
Snitches Laden wrote:
fudface wrote:
+1 for jester for trying but i dont think it will change anything. The crucial thing with this is the victim is a willing participant.

Personally i think its total madness to give all your stuff over to another player you dont know and trust regardless of the reason.

i only managed to listen to around 8 minutes before i was shaking my head and thinking no one is THAT blind to the obvious,

i know gamblers who cant help chasing their losses until they are totally broke. its human stupidity and greed that is being exploited here.

i mean come on, if it looks like easy money then you are the one creating the easy money.

my 1 isk worth.



if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?


Why are you even talking about **** in a thread about someone wigging out over being asked to sing two songs? Get out.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1467 - 2014-03-26 00:57:07 UTC
Gwydion Voleur wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time.


This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion.

Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor.

*EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting.



Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think.
Galdrak
Interplanetary Trade Federation
#1468 - 2014-03-26 00:57:44 UTC
Snitches Laden wrote:
[quote=fudface]+1 for jester for trying but i dont think it will change anything. The crucial thing with this is the victim is a willing participant.

Personally i think its total madness to give all your stuff over to another player you dont know and trust regardless of the reason.

i only managed to listen to around 8 minutes before i was shaking my head and thinking no one is THAT blind to the obvious,

i know gamblers who cant help chasing their losses until they are totally broke. its human stupidity and greed that is being exploited here.

i mean come on, if it looks like easy money then you are the one creating the easy money.

my 1 isk worth.



if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?

you are comparing this trivial game to a life changing ****, you should be ashamed of yourself using such a horrific crime to make a stupid point in a forum. shame on you
Winchester Steele
#1469 - 2014-03-26 00:57:51 UTC
Tancred Xero wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
If you don't like what he did, why don't you do something about it instead of crying on the forums trying to get someone else to do something?

Dispensing your own justice is what this game is all about. You have yourself a valid cause. Do something about it.


The guy literally never undocks. There is nothing TO do about it; the game prevents it.



I am a very well respected member of the CODE. community. For a small finders fee of 500 million isk I can help you get your revenge on Ero. He does undock, often, and I know exactly where he flies.

Contact me ingame if this proposal interests you.

...

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1470 - 2014-03-26 00:59:55 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Hmmm, I got spanked by CCP for creating a new thread to post this, and in retrospect I should have just used this original thread :) Here's some thoughts on today's hot topic!

So, I am a pretty avid Eve player, and have been for quite some time. My girlfriend is not a player, but we talk a whole bunch and she does enjoy hearing stories about our little universe we have here, and today we were talking about the recent forum activity and SoundCloud recording of Erotica1 doing what he does best.

Now, before this entire conversation took place - I really was on the "This is our sandbox, I don't want CCP wasting any time adding systems to the game that limit what we as players can do." To be honest, I still am.

But, after this whole conversation: there's a part that I don't agree with - and my mind has been changed on this. In this situation: Erotica1 engaged in scamming someone out of a bunch of internet spaceships and e-gold or whatever we call it. I'm fine with that. The only part that I find fault with is baiting the player into taking his tasteless RL threats (I'll kill your mother, racist slurs, homophobic slurs) from a private Teamspeak server into game, thus resulting in the person being scammed being able to be subjected to action by CCP).

The "victim" was wrong to take things that far, and to make real life threats: but we have to really understand a bit about human nature here. Erotica1 and pirates all over (myself included!) will tell you how vital it is to have a thick skin, but I think we need to lead by example and have the same think skin - some of these noobies we blow up or scam are not really the Eve type, and they have yet to learn to control the part of their brain that should stop with "Good fight." or "lol gf" into the kind of epic screaming table pounding mom-threatening stuff we heard in the recent soundcloud recording. When I personally encounter this kind of behavior, my old reaction was to automatically report them to CCP for EULA violations. I won't be doing that anymore - I am going to HTFU and understand that for less experienced players, human nature is going to take over sometimes and they are going to say and do things that are really silly and over and top.

On a side note - I am proud to be part of this universe today. Any online game that sparks a wonderful 2 hour discussion between adults about morality, human nature, griefing and bullying is the kind of game that I want to be playing.



Ah you see part of the "action" is to get people booted from the game. Drive them to the point of going ballistic Mel Gibson style then report them or post a video. I have seen C&P posts about getting tears, mainly during the height of Ninja Salvaging, from "pirates" boasting something about "not only did we get tears we got him banned too!". Extra satisfaction came from making someone go ballistic and then being coy about the whole thing at least if not acting like a victim.

I'm glad though to see that people are finally starting to realize that you can drive a person over the edge. Naturally the limit is a personal matter. I've known some people go from 0 to complete breakdown faster than a Porsche reaches 60 MPH and others who I were like a rock.





Bring back DEEEEP Space!
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1471 - 2014-03-26 01:00:30 UTC
rolling towards permabans...

fingers crossed.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1472 - 2014-03-26 01:00:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gwydion Voleur wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time.


This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion.

Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor.

*EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting.



Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think.

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Scorth Aumer
Nova Wolves
#1473 - 2014-03-26 01:01:15 UTC
I have read this thread and jesters blog post and seen arguments on both sides and the only thing I can really say is that while yes i agree what Ero did was over board (once you've got the players assets the rest was completely not needed and humiliating) I also agree that the person should t have issued death threats nor racial slurs to someone (though saying one racial slur hardly makes someone a racist. people say stupid **** when upset don't think they should be judged on what they say when like that. We've all said stupid stuff when upset dont think we should be judged by what we say in those moments). I don't believe either should be banned. No matter how much I dislike what Ero did he never broke any in game rules doing it.

PS. people who want Ero banned i understand your anger but saying thinly veiled death threats at the guy wont solve anything and in fact damaging any argument you once had.

Just my 2 cent on the matter.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1474 - 2014-03-26 01:01:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.


I am fully prepared to be very happy. EVE will be better off for it, too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#1475 - 2014-03-26 01:02:59 UTC
I'm not going to share my opinions here but I would like to say that Erotica 1 has been doing this for some time, and now just because a somewhat well known Eve figure does a blog about it does everyone freak out over it.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1476 - 2014-03-26 01:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Galdrak wrote:
if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?

May I politely ask you refrain from analogies like this? There is absolutely no similarity and I think it's not good to draw this parallel to Sohkar's experience.

Edit: To further clarify.. you're using a strawman. Sohkar may not be responsible for stepping INTO the bonus room and it's pointless to blame him for that specifically. However, once IN the room he took actions only he can decide to execute (no one can force him to do those things). This is the major difference between your casually used analogy and Sohkar's experience. At no point was control taken from him because:
1. He controls the off button for teamspeak
2. He controls what he chooses to do and say and sing
3. He controls to fork over his in-game resources to someone else

In game ISK (ie: funny money) is by no means any kind of actual (sympathizeable) collateral.

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1477 - 2014-03-26 01:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Drone 16
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

3) Any judge/jury will recognise that Sohkars outbursts are a result of duress, piled with harassment, humiliating and degrading demands.



I would hate to be trying to explain to a cop, one who deals with real scumbags and has probably also been in war, why I was pressing charges (after ridiculing someone on the internet for several hours).

I can see the crew-cut battle hardened (and probably violent and dealing with PTSD) cop squinting at E1 and saying "so you feel threated by who? What? What are you talking about?"



We wouldn't entertain it most likely. At least in my experience it would be handled as a violation if at all. The complainant would have to make a statement and sign civilian arrest paperwork. The onus of the arrest and any counter-litigation would be on the complainant and not the officer since the officer simply facilitated a civilian arrest. This would never ever have a chance at seeing a judge.

That doesn't make what E1 did any less despicable it just means that he is intelligent enough to know just how far he can push a person of limited capacity and not cross a line to get his jollies. His behavior is very similar to many of the brighter criminals I deal with, they know all of the rules of the system and exploit it to their advantage. I guess in a way we should be happy he channels his inner scumbag in a game setting.

Edit: Misread what you wrote but the outcome remains the same, neither party in this situation would get very far trying to involve the authorities. As such, the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Winchester Steele
#1478 - 2014-03-26 01:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
This whole affair is very poor publicity for both CCP and Eve and as such I personally believe that CCP should do more to discourage such behavior.



You are 100% right! I hereby call for Ripard Tegs immediate dismissal from the CSM and permanent banning of all accounts and assets.

This wouldn't be any publicity at all if that idiot hadn't written a self-serving white knight blog about it.

Ccp is a business after all. Can't have wild guns like ****** Teg out there giving bad publicity when they should be promoting the game.


You seem mad. Are you gnashing your teeth right now little fella?



Huh? Really? That's what you got from my post? Must be a cultural thing. Here in Canada, I would be aptly described to be "cool as a cucumber".

Sarcasm isn't your thing eh?

...

Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#1479 - 2014-03-26 01:04:47 UTC
The hysterics in this thread are getting hilarious. One things is certain, this is excellent 'content' lol.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1480 - 2014-03-26 01:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro Ozuwara
Jenn aSide wrote:
The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period.

Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. Erotica1 was out for tears, and got them. So happy to receive them, he released the audio.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays