EVE General Discussion

It should.

Orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

Any ban for Ero that isn't met with bans for the people who threatened to kill him or otherwise threatened violence will definitely NOT be good press for CCP at all. Ero would be within his rights to compile a list of them and subpoena CCP to get their RL names to press charges against some of them, and the damage that would do to CCP would be significant. Especially if CCP have not taken action over those threats.

as the sadist said to the masochist when he said hurt me....... NO!

at no point did he stand a chance of getting back anything you scammed from him. playing your game would never lead to him gaining from you. players like you are getting more common in eve, the new psychotic pilots with intelligent rebuttals for awful behaviour,

I can't believe this thread has surpassed 70 pages. Sohkar was a fool and payed for it, as is EVE's way. The humiliation, or "bullying" as some of you insist on calling it, only came about as a consequence of his own willful actions. Sohkar is the only person at fault, for being unfamiliar with the rules of EVE. Erotica 1 did nothing more than separate the chaff from the wheat.

The number of people who have this nanny-minded view of EVE is simply staggering. Why should a player get banned because his/her actions reached an arbitrarily designated frustration threshold in another player? Should every player that gets on my lossmails be banned if I can muster up a certain degree of anger about it?


"A scam is what happens when someone takes advantage of your misplaced trust, temporary confusion or ignorance of game rules, and robs you via legal in-game means. When this occurs, there is nothing the Support Team can do for you. Although low and despicable, scams do not violate any game mechanics and can not be compensated for by the GMs, nor can the scammers generally be punished for their actions."

This excerpt from the official EVE knowledge base should be the beginning and end of the entire discussion.

One time I logged onto the Eve-o forums and didn't see the General Discussion link. That was a good day.

Nooooooooo! I've gotten probably 50 fake internet points out of this thread, and apparently make believe stuff is worth freakingthe hell out for... so don't nuke this thread!!!!!

In fact all of my posts have ben "liked" by one side and not the other...so...

Sohkar you poor abused racist bro, I feel you!!!
Ban Erotica 1 ban him so hard his mother feels it in her gut!!!!

and death to the 1-X robots!!!!

I find it interesting how people justify his actions regardless of them being allowed or not by game policy yet these same individuals would have probally acted in the same fashion had this happened to them.

food for thought the the german populous drank the nazi koolaid to and look what it got them. just because something is legally okay doesn't make it morally right.

Finally, some moderation seems to have started.

I sincerely hope the threats of RL violence are removed from this thread now and the people that made them held to account.

Criticizing Ero is fair game, he can give as good as he takes. Saying rules should be changed so that the 'bonus rooms' are no longer OK is fair game too (even though I do not agree). Saying Ero should be bashed IRL, or that "we should shut up until the CSM election so we can find out who he is IRL" is totally unacceptable and should have no place on these forums at all.

No lol.

Let me explain.

Erotica1 is sourcing his victims from WITHIN EVE for purposes of scamming them OUTSIDE OF EVE.

He is predating on the EVE community for targets that he takes from within the game, by means of ingame scams, to an external environment where the "acceptability" of his scams is no longer present.

You can't extend an EVE scam into the real world. It has no legitimacy there, and becomes, infact, criminal.

He failed to recognise that though scamming is ok within EVE, it is NOT ok to extend those scams to an external out of game "Bonus Room" environment.

This is explicitly against just about everything in the EULA.
This alone is all the reason CCP needs to terminate his account.

The above has nothing to do with actually happens in the recording (though it is reprehensible).
CCP does not need to even listen to the recording to have grounds for terminating his account.

CCP is responsible however for protecting its player base by exploitation and predation from OUTSIDE the game environment.
When Erotica1 is making his scams conditional on players stepping OUTSIDE that game environment, where his scams lose any legitimacy either in the games internal context or in IRL law, that is something that CCP absolutely should have an interest in preventing.

If Erotica1 went around seaching the player base for a 13yr old boy who he can scam ingame with ISK doubling, that would be fine (as far as all the rules go). If he tries to start extending those scams to exploiting that 13yr old boy in a context OUTSIDE the game, such as luring him into a "Boy Bonus Room" on his private TS server, it becomes all kinds of colors of illegal and violation of the EULA.

That is exactly what he is doing now, but with less discriminating targetting of victims. He deliberately targets those who are, for one reason or another, stupid or impaired enough in some fashion to fall for the ISK doubling in the first place. Its a selection process that ensures he can find people in WITHIN the EVE game, that he can lure to exploit OUTSIDE of the game.

Has to stop. Absolutely.

Erotica1, on his part, can try to press charges against Sohkar for what he said in the recording, but it will never work.
1) CCP is not responsible for what people say in OUT OF GAME CHANNELS, and therefore its pointless to subpoena them for Sohkar's identity.
2) Erotica1 can however try to subpoena whoever owns the TS server he conducts his private little "Bonus Room" torture cell in for his IP. Good luck with that!
3) Any judge/jury will recognise that Sohkars outbursts are a result of duress, piled with harassment, humiliating and degrading demands.