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Lee Thrace
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1401 - 2014-03-26 00:14:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lee Thrace
Central to all of this belly aching is one simple premise. What Erotica 1 did was somehow unfair to Sohkar. Let's examine this.

http://evewho.com/pilot/sohkar- If this is the right person then Sohkar joined his first corporation(Life. Universe. Everything.) in Eve online on this very day in 2009!!!!!!!!!

By contrast:

http://evewho.com/pilot/Erotica+1 - Erotica 1 Is a 2012 character.

I believe that people like Erotica 1 are to be avoided at all costs for obvious reasons. People who relish in the pain of others are at best dysfunctional, and at worst outright dangerous.

However, everyone is acting like Erotica had some sort of advantage, and that the things he did were somehow "unfair." I do not agree. Sohkar has been playing this game longer than most of you, and certainly longer than Erotica, and yet, Ripard wants us to believe that Sohkar is a "poor victim of nefarious people," and that this could happen to anyone. It cannot. You would have to have your head in the god dammed sand not to notice the character of scams in eve over the course of five years. I do not like or approve of the things people like Erotica perpetrate, but I will not argue for deliberate ignorance coupled with racism and homophobia.

If there needs to be a ban let CCP remove both of these trite figures.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1402 - 2014-03-26 00:14:44 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Winchester Steele
#1403 - 2014-03-26 00:15:09 UTC
Gogela wrote:
paritybit wrote:
Just posting to say that there's a line here. It's terribly blurry, but it's there. Nobody is going to be able to clearly define it. But nobody really needs to. It makes sense to me that CCP own the game; they own all the ones and zeros that make up New Eden and story the history of every pilot to have ever flown there. If they wanted to strip the privilege of being a part of this from someone, I think they have the right.

Now I just have to figure out how to impart my opinion that the line has been crossed here and Erotica 1 and friends are on the wrong side of it. Maybe typing this is enough; it probably isn't.

EVE is amazing in the way it provides countless ways for players to punish other players -- when they don't necessarily deserve any punishment at all. But, when it comes to a way to punish players who are completely deserving but know how to protect themselves (alts that never leave a station or that leave a station only in a disposable ship with the expectation of being blown up) there is very little recourse. This one is not and can not be in the hands of the players.

Once you go from scamming a player of all in-game assets and move on to crushing his dignity you've gone too far. Somewhere between those two points is the line. Please make a stand somewhere CCP.

In order to take a "stand" you would have to make a "rule." It would be a new rule, I think, in this case. Yes, the devs make these rules. The line in this case, however, is REALLY blurry. While I would argue the victim in this case was psychologically traumatized long before he ever started playing eve, let's for the sake of argument, assume that his response could be considered "normal". How do you pen such a rule? EvE is really hard. It's harsh. You are going to get angry at some point... typically starting out. Does a ganker cause psychological trauma? Does running an alliance and losing it through one means or another cause it? Could mittens be banned for the way he took out BoB, having caused such widespread discontent? Do people running virtually undetectable margin scams cause it? Contract scams? PLEX scams? Does Hulkageddon get you down? An extreme reaction by an individual does not necessitate extreme legislation. At some point you need to be a big boy and handle your s***. This is sensational purely due to the victim's reaction. Far worse things happen to people every day in EvE. I should know. I ganked a guy w/ 4 bill in his hauler a few weeks ago. His response? "Enjoy the nothing that dropped ******!' We both lost that day. My victim handles his smack. He's not a fan of mine, but he didn't let it get to him. Why would he? It's a game. Let's not lose the forest for the trees on this one, I say.



I wholeheartedly agree with your post. However, the ONLY reason it's sensational is because Riptard Teg decided to post a tabloid worthy blog about it. For someone who is on the CSM this was a pretty careless thing to do imo. If he had CCP's best interests at heart, as he so often states while advocating nerfs to emergent gameplay, then he would have consulted them first to ensure that his beloved game didn't get bad press.

But as I suspected all along. The only person a guy like Ripard does anything for is himself. Would love too see him removed from the CSM for this HUGE breach of trust.

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#1404 - 2014-03-26 00:16:36 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:



If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.


Ero's behaviour was within the rules as presently written by CCP, and was similar to garden-variety schoolyard bullying at worst.


Let me assure you, "school yard bullying" is not taken lightly. Often kids are excluded from school and depending on how serious the case is, authorities will sometimes be called in for disciplinary action.

Also, bullying is bullying. There are no classifications such as what you call "garden-variety." Please don't try to sprinkle sugar on it.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1405 - 2014-03-26 00:17:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Muestereate wrote:


Erickson, Bradshaw, Berne, and undoubtedly Freud.


So discreditted sexist garbage proported by men who couldnt get any and blame women for their inadequacies



I threw in Freud for bait, the much maligned coke addict. As far as the other well published and recognized doctors, I'd never heard of them having sexual dysfunctions. Do you realize your attempt to dehumanize men echoes Eroticas illness? The psychological game i described is played out in most **** cases. The feminine baiting and accusing coupled with racial prejudices leveled a town in Florida in the very early 20th century and started Americas race riots of the sixties. The forces at work here are very dangerous.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#1406 - 2014-03-26 00:18:01 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:


Pushing him to the point where he snaps is just far too much. And I think this is a line CCP needs to draw.


Good luck drawing that line.

What is or isn't acceptable scamming behavior now depends entirely on each invidual victim's mental state. Awesome!

We can call it "The Wis" rule, where the rules change depending on the specific mental state of each invidual account holder.


So has the line been crossed when the bonus room participant enters Teamspeak?
Has it been crossed when he gets his wife involved?
Has it been crossed when he calls Erotica 1 a "n*****"?

At which point, precisely, did Erotica 1 earn his permaban?

What about other bonus room participants who failed to win, yet took their loss with a degree of sanity?
They were subjected to identical 'trials and tests' yet in most cases didn't respond the same way.

Did Erotica 1 earn a ban in these cases as well?

Snitches Laden
Doomheim
#1407 - 2014-03-26 00:19:14 UTC
I wonder what the members of the westboro baptist church would have to say about all of these shenanigans?
Salvos Rhoska
#1408 - 2014-03-26 00:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
RomeStar wrote:
Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Bad press for CCP when knowledge of this and the recording proliferates.

Good press for CCP when they take action on it.

Both press, net profit.

Throwing Erotica1 out on his ass is a paltry price to pay for that.
Nobody will question that CCP is utterly within its rights, and sufficiently justified, to do so.
And nobody will miss him anyways.

As is demonstrated in this thread, and in which I have been keeping count of individual posters and their expressed views, the community is overwhelmingly against what he has done as evidenced in the recording.
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1409 - 2014-03-26 00:21:17 UTC
I would like to remind and just point out to CCP that where in your TOS/EULA you state that any ingame items are the property of CCP games that you do in fact have the power to intervene in these circumstances. The whole bargaining chip of the exploitation and humiliation is ISK and or game assets which are your property.

Dont just [u]think[/u] outside the box, [u]Live[/u] outside of it...

Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1410 - 2014-03-26 00:21:28 UTC
Danalee wrote:
CCP needs to draw a line, allright!

A line to stop all these pitchfork wielding bigots from procreating.

A line where comparing silly things with the holocaust and whatnot gets you a forum ban.


D. OUT.


So you want everyone who doesn't see things your way to be sterilized AND you want a forum ban for Malcanis?!?

That's harsh Shocked

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#1411 - 2014-03-26 00:21:50 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Yes.

A widot guy already answered the "why" part many pages ago, yet people keep asking. Sohkar could have won if he made it through the gauntlet without failing. The bonus round is not designed to be easy. However, those that show full faith win big.

Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything. Some claim they were about to quit EVE anyway and wanted to go out in style. I can't blame them.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#1412 - 2014-03-26 00:21:52 UTC
Lee Thrace wrote:

If there needs to be a ban let CCP remove both of these trite figures.


If by 'both' you mean Ripard Teg and Sohkhar, thumbs up!
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1413 - 2014-03-26 00:23:54 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
This whole affair is very poor publicity for both CCP and Eve and as such I personally believe that CCP should do more to discourage such behavior.



You are 100% right! I hereby call for Ripard Tegs immediate dismissal from the CSM and permanent banning of all accounts and assets.

This wouldn't be any publicity at all if that idiot hadn't written a self-serving white knight blog about it.

Ccp is a business after all. Can't have wild guns like ****** Teg out there giving bad publicity when they should be promoting the game.


You seem mad. Are you gnashing your teeth right now little fella?

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#1414 - 2014-03-26 00:24:18 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Yes.

A widot guy already answered the "why" part many pages ago, yet people keep asking. Sohkar could have won if he made it through the gauntlet without failing. The bonus round is not designed to be easy. However, those that show full faith win big.

Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything. Some claim they were about to quit EVE anyway and wanted to go out in style. I can't blame them.


obvious scam is obvious


T.T

(.___________________________________________.)/

Salvos Rhoska
#1415 - 2014-03-26 00:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Erotica 1 wrote:
Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything.


Except its not IN EVE.

Its in an OUT OF GAME "Bonus Room".

Scams are valid only WITHIN EVE.
NOT outside of it.

That is where you fked up, utterly.
Snitches Laden
Doomheim
#1416 - 2014-03-26 00:24:19 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Yes.

A widot guy already answered the "why" part many pages ago, yet people keep asking. Sohkar could have won if he made it through the gauntlet without failing. The bonus round is not designed to be easy. However, those that show full faith win big.

Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything. Some claim they were about to quit EVE anyway and wanted to go out in style. I can't blame them.



if that's the case erotica why don't you show the world that your legit and not a scam? allow the ever community to see what you do?
Winchester Steele
#1417 - 2014-03-26 00:24:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Muestereate wrote:
This harmless singing humiliation thing. I've only heard about it in child's playgrounds... and mafia/military films.

Just for perspective Is Erotica in his teens yet? If so this is evidence of a compulsive uncontrollable age regression. The malice and forethought plus the regression is typical of most incarcerated criminals. Under the hardened skin is a child treating others as they themselves have been treated. They take on their parents or significant relationships role, Curse or Witch role depending on gender, They are similar except for repressed sexual content or lack thereof.

In most of the sympathizers response we see the banal script of powerlessness as it has been called. In the proponents of this action, through their referrals to legality are playing out the banal script of Inequality. This script has a lot to do with competition. Unfortunately the competition is between male and female psyches. Erotica is of course the female being the manipulator. When a woman does this to a man its amusing until it get destructive. Its actually a form of penile envy that expresses itself like most jealousies as a passive aggresive angry vengeance (oral violence). As the severity of the game progresses it develops from oral to anal elements. And yes, extreme obsessions with rigid structures is an anal compulsion.

In real life this is what women do to men when they lead them on and then reject them acting outraged. It can progress to actual charges of *** or violence against the person they are victimizing. Many have seen this in action in the clubs. You know, the ones that flash you then act as if they didn't do it and that your a meat hound. The only solution is to stay away, we know that, and thats why we stay away. The undercurrent is to prove the victim is lascivious, thereby justifying that all men are bad and avoiding the pain of dealing with her daddy issues.

One last point about the anal characteristics of this female game. According to Erickson human development theory, the perpetrator was perpetrated on a bit later. Probably between 3.5 to 8 years. Erotica would do well to isolate trauma(s) during this age, abandonment, abuse, and shame projections of others and have a professional help (HER) process it.

Barring Erotica's own seeking of help, do to the poor adaptation of these women, they do not tolerate antithesis well and usually run if not supported by others of peer to continue there justification of man hatred. Without admiration the patient flees treatment and is instead best counseled with groups of similar minded peers that have shown some reversal. These people don' t pile on the shame and pain on top of subconscious wounds. CCP would do many people a service including Erotica by not condoning this play-style. Its an illness.


Waht kind of insane sexist bullcrap is this?


This thread is really bringing out the loonies.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1418 - 2014-03-26 00:25:21 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Yes.

A widot guy already answered the "why" part many pages ago, yet people keep asking. Sohkar could have won if he made it through the gauntlet without failing. The bonus round is not designed to be easy. However, those that show full faith win big.

Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything. Some claim they were about to quit EVE anyway and wanted to go out in style. I can't blame them.


obvious scam is obvious


T.T


The beautiful thing about this scam is that people can win it.
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#1419 - 2014-03-26 00:27:16 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
To answer a few questions...



Bad press is still better than no press at all right :) Business good..?


Yes.

A widot guy already answered the "why" part many pages ago, yet people keep asking. Sohkar could have won if he made it through the gauntlet without failing. The bonus round is not designed to be easy. However, those that show full faith win big.

Many contestants say that the bonus round is the most fun they've ever had in EVE, even if they lose everything. Some claim they were about to quit EVE anyway and wanted to go out in style. I can't blame them.


I was laughing out loud during the bit where Sohkar got all excited about singing the Gummy Bear Song, not realizing his special version of the song was not the version intended......
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#1420 - 2014-03-26 00:29:08 UTC
All this could not have happened without eve assets so its not entirely out of game. I think ccp could make a case for this if they want to take action.

This entire thread is arguing semantics and bad analogies and should be nuked.