EVE General Discussion

I challenge you to find any post I've made in this thread supporting what anyone did in relation to this attention-grabbing blog that was posted by someone I consider to be a bit of an idiot.

Lets do a comparison. 70 titans die and battle costs 500,000 in rl assets. right? This makes headline news all over the internet. Not Cnn but it did make yahoo.com news. So your gonna push them to do a news story over 1 bil of isk. Your pathetic.

You would prosecute someone for being the target of RL death threats? (Someone that you personally have, in this thread, made TWO only slightly veiled threats of physical violence against)?

Talk about victim blaming.


Ero's behaviour was within the rules as presently written by CCP, and was similar to garden-variety schoolyard bullying at worst. The contestant's behaviour included RL death threats (against the EULA and the law of pretty much every country), and racist slurs.

I have no problem with CCP taking no explicit disciplinary action over those threats as they took place out-of-game, were not credible, and were said in rage. But they need to state unequivocally that that behaviour was unacceptable. THEN they can have credibility if they want to change the rules to make Ero's antics fall outside of them in future.

haha, i sincerely doubt it.

i sincerely doubt ccp will ban some one for doing something out of game, especially when the "victim" broke more rules (that don't apply because it was out of game) than ero did.

i don't believe i've condoned it once.

it wasn't within our gaming world at all, it was on teamspeak not in eve.

do you even understand what's going on here?

He has a killboard so he literally does undock. He's in an alliance that is almost constantly at war. Maybe you should convenience him to undock in something shiney.

Maybe because some of us have a better grasp of logic and human reasoning.

Even for deadly serious real life matters, in courts things like Duress, Extenuating Circumstances, and even Diminished Capacity exist. Since someone pushed by force, emotions, or circumstance has much less burden of responsibility than another doing the same under orderly and perfect conditions. It can mean the difference between manslaughter convictions or 1st degree.

Also, 'simply leaving' is much the same thing I'm sure battered women hear all the time. "why don't you just leave him?"

Sometimes people are emotionally invested in various matters, that even if taking any physical action to leave the situation is completely possible, the will to is completely absent.

Anyone else not taking those matters into consideration are just actively and intentionally looking for reasons not to hold the instigator(s) with any responsibility of the scenario.

I think a lot of people are forgetting about the best line from Ripards post.

"Isn't That the game where...?"

I honestly don't want this game to be known for being the root cause of someones suicide. I know that its basically GD's first response to say "HTFU" And it seems to stay true for this thread. With most people questioning whether or not something was actually illegal or saying that Sohkar's the one to blame.

The scam was over before recording really got started, he lost his ISK that is his fault. I honestly sympathize with Sohkar's outburst towards the end, people pushing you past your breaking point and you snap. (I don't agree with racism or death threats but if someone kept pushing my buttons for 2 hours straight, I'd snap)

I really don't care for the legality of the issue, whether it's CCP's jurisdiction, whether or not E1 should be punished. But to me this should honestly be a line that shouldn't be crossed. Scam done, ok leave. A lot of people are saying that Sohkar could of left at any moment. But E1 and co. could of ended it at any moment as well. By simply saying "ok, this is a bit out of hand, we have your isk goodbye."

Pushing him to the point where he snaps is just far too much. And I think this is a line CCP needs to draw.

We used to make fun of kids that told the teacher, even the teachers would tell us that dobbing was low.

yeah trivialising domestic abuse to try and draw parallels that don't exist just infuriate me.

quite frankly at this time of night i think it's a good time to get some sleep than deal with people like yourself who irk me to no end by trivialising domestic abuse to incorrectly try and prove a point they've wildly missed.

leaving a bonus room with one mouse click doesn't have the same repercussions as an abused spouse trying to separate themselves from a partner, i hope you never have to find out how true that is. you repulse me.